1,695 responses to “Arlecchino”

1. Should i try to get her weapon or c1?
   I got limited pulls so at the end of first half i will prob have 240ish in the worst case scenario
   I got the PJWS as a back up option

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   • The thing is, you kind of need both her C1 and R1,
     but if I had to choose only one, I would go for the weapon.

     Her signature polearm eases her access to BoL, 
     which resolve into better uptime with the Fragment of Harmonic Whimsy set effect 
     and easier rotation.

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     • Yea both is high recommended, but i’d say C1 over wep. C1 adds too many extra hits to the same % Bol. You go from using up 16.5% BoL in 3 hits to just 6% on average. That’s absolutely insane, i’d dare say there isn’t a bigger const in the game that gives so much more overall DPS than Arle’s C1. It’s literally C6 level. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they swap her C6 and C1 but keeping the crit on the C6. So like C1 becomes E gets a damage boost if you already have some Bol already active and C6 becomes the C1 with the crit boost of the C6.

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       • Yes, C1 is really strong, and, in fact, the first thing I thought when reading Arlecchino’s C1 description was Itto’s C6. 
         It has similar mechanics and allows for prolonging the DMG boost state. 

         Never the less, C1 is still RNG, and I would recommend it over guaranteed improvement.

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       • *C1 is still RNG, and I wouldn’t recommend it over guaranteed improvement.

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         • “Guaranteed” when you don’t even know when you will get the weapon on the banner

     • You most certainly do not need R1 and C1. First of all, her weapon honestly is pretty disappointing for how specific it is to her kit. Staff of Homa R1 (no 50% buff) and Deathmatch R5 both do only a few percent points less and are very universal. Weapon is mostly bait from how it looks, but both Homa and Deathmatch will match her well. And her C1 is just okay. Will extend rotation a bit but pretty unnecessary since you will probably be off cooldown without C1 or a couple secs off at most. This will make even less difference if you end up using Shimenawa.

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2. Can anyone confirm if the BoL effect stays when you restart domain or abyss floor?

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   • Pretty sure it doesn’t, but i have no proof. Be nice if it did. Would like to know for sure too.

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   • try it with the fontaine weapons with Bond of Life effect

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     • Well, thank you for a brilliant idea, but I don’t want to spend a weapon billet just to check this specific case. 

       I’m sure there are people here who are using one of those weapons on their characters
       and are willing to contribute research for the community.

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   • I think it won’t, like Navia’s bullets or Raiden’s Circle, to be confirmed.

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   • In both cases BoL is removed.

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   • it won’t, but she has ability to clear the BoL, just use it

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   • from what I understand with her kit. she has on-field downtime issues, being able to increase BoL with CA but has cd 20s from it, her E has 15s cd, it mean 5s downtime, idk if her passive help it but I thing her passive won’t, because her passive will follow her E. C1 fix it anyway

     she is cool, but i think i won’t wish for her

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3. In the infusion showcase (vs hydro slimes) Arlecchino appears to have some minor pull on some of her attacks, especially her N3
   Also she doesn’t knock back enemies herself so non overload teams are safe

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4. Whoever says Arle is Hu Tao 2.0, f–k you cause I don’t have Hu Tao

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5. Seems to be a “high risk, low reward” kinda character. Her damage is approximately the same as Hu Tao’s , but Arli has lower health with complicated self-healing mechanics. I don’t think she will be enjoyable to play for most casual players. Especially in co-op or on mobile phones. They should have allowed her to be healed the normal way or give more self-healing options without overcomplicated conditions.

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   • Her damage is told to be bigger than Hu Tao’s. Even if it’s not true, Arle is much easier to play. And her survivability is better than Tao’s, because she’s not running on 30% hp, Her hp still will be full if you don’t get hit, she just heals only from her skill because of her mechanics and this heal is more than enough to press it in case of emergency and heal to full. She’ll be skill-dependent because you’ll be had to dash, but it’s not Tao’s animation cancel. And after all, you can run ZL.

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     • I disagree. Arli has too many conditions she must follow. Hu can heal herself easily just by using her Ult. Press E to get pyro infusion, press Q to heal. Arli on the other hand has to to keep an eye on Bond of Life, which is used for her damage buffs, infusion and healing. Out of BoL? She can’t heal. Not enough BoL? No infusion for you. What’s going to happen if Arli gets hit and she is out of Bond of Life? She needs to use her E-skill to apply Blood Debt on enemies, then use charge attack to accumulate BoL, then wait for 15 seconds for E-skill to recover, then use it again to heal… And don’t forget, she is a melee character. She will need to stand close to enemies, which puts her in harms way. I’ve seen countless party wipes in coop when giant hili suddenly changes his attack direction and jumps on top of everyone. I don’t think majority of players will enjoy it. This is not Dark Souls after all.

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       • all condition you mentioned can be easily solve with SHIELD.

         yes, she need a shield user. just like any other melee attacker. she just come with worse condition as healing can’t be another choice for her.

         about keeping and eye on BoL, actually you don’t have to at all, as long as you understand her rotation. game-play should flow normally until she does white damage then you press E and go again with rotation.

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       • Aint no way you’re out here talking like Hu Tao has so much selfhealing? She constantly puts herself at a lower HP, and agaisnt single targets the ult barely heals and she barely generates particles. Claiming she’s easy to play in co-op is wild or are you running her on a full heal% + hp% set lmao.

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         • I’m not saying Hu Tao is easy to play. I meant she’s easIER then Arle.

     • The main issue with Arle is that she falls under the normal ICD rule because she utilizes normal attacks. Tao is not because charge attacks don’t have ICD so she always vapes with charge attacks which means more stable damage.

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       • What’s the ICD for her Charged Attack?

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     • The guy who writes here under every comment that she is stronger than Tao also claims that solo Arle does more damage than the best Neuvillette team, so I don’t advise you to pay attention to him.
       All TC agree that her damage is currently lower than that of Tao and Lyney. Maybe she’ll get a buff in the next beta test updates or in Natlan, idk

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   • Possible change they could make is changing her anti-healing passive to reduce incoming healing by 50-75% while she has a bond of life active rather than just flat out preventing any healing at all. This would allow her to still be healed, albeit in small amounts, which would work well with the new artifact set and reduce risk of getting chipped out completely by things like fatui agent bond of life and corrosion.

     I’m not optimistic HYV will do anything like this tho since they have a really poor track record already with these sorts of all or nothing passives such as Kokomi and Nilou. They are either too lazy or too incompetent to actually implement things with incremental scaling on newer abilities it seems, which is weird considering they already have precedent for these kinds of conditional incremental buffs with things like Yelan and Yun Jin passives. I guess it will always be easier to just make it an on-off switch rather than something with more flexibility tho, so meh

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     • Regardless of all of this discussion and survivability, there are a few reasons why they will/should not change the passive to allow healing:
       1. The key point of the no healing thing is to balance her kit/teams by locking her out of Furina teams and MH. If any percentage of the healing were allowed through, this would completely remove this balancing aspect (as MH doesn’t care about amount, but rather number/frequency of HP changes). Even if you ignore the general balance issues this would cause, it would make the new artifact set they are designing for her and her signiature poor options for her (because MH and Furina damage bonus would simply dwarf them, and the CR from MH would make her crit signature impractical for most players).

       tl;dr changing this would break the purpose of many other things they are planning to release. It could not just be a change to her passive, it would entail a complete change of direction for most of the stuff they are releasing this patch (and probably lots of future content too). This case must be an all or nothing passive because even allowing 1% incoming healing would lead to a complete shift in how she is played and what weapons and artifacts are good for her. The all or nothing is not a lazy technical implementation decision, it is a calculated decision.

       2. Far less important than 1 but still indicitive of the fact that it is very much intended and will not be changed. Her kit’s names and the little stories and stuff they have going with this (and probably the story writing too) make the passive thematically relevant. From what I see it seems focused on her bearing some burden or responsibility completely (e.g. (ignoring the passive in questions) “Strength Alone Can Defend” “All Reprisals and Arrears Are Mine to Bear…” etc). Thus, thematically it would be somewhat odd for her to be so focused on that everywhere else, but then have a random exception “Cinders Alone Shall Nourish…but also 50% of outside healing”.

       Finally on the sustainability, I don’t think it will honestly be that bad (of course it may be more annoying for some players).
       She is completely HP positive (she doesn’t even have anything that consumes her HP, but does have a potent heal available), and her passive gives her (in many situations) 20% resistance to all damage types. Assuming no other resistance effects at the same time that means she takes only 80% as much damage as a normal character would when hit (thus her effective HP will be 125% of her actual HP value).

       Combine this with damage reduction from someone like Xingqiu or Beidou and potentially a sheild and she is pretty safe. The point is that there are multiple fairly accessible methods of increasing her ability to survive. Worst case she is about the same as Hu Tao in non-Furina teams.

       super tl;dr: Characters should have aspects to balance their kits with the rest of the stuff in the game and hers (unless they completely change her kit to do something totally different) needs this passive to be balanced (and can be reasonably dealt with by practically all players).

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     • I believe the anti-healing exists for players to not accidentally decrease/clear BoL, which 1. causes her to lose damage, and 2. does not heal her anyway because Arle would usually have a high amount of BoL (which have to be cleared for any effective healing to occur).

       Not sure about Kokomi; Nilou’s Hydro/Dendro-only passive actually makes sure she’s not too strong (and subsequently not strong enough for the intended pure Blooom usage due to balancing): namely, a grouper (which are usually Anemo)would greatly increase damage due to the quadratic scaling of Dendro Cores; and due to how Quicken works, having an Electro unit can increase the production of Cores and possibly either cause Electro-Charged or enable Dendro unit(s) to Spread.

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     • The problem would be that she wouldn’t get any healing anyway, because having a Bon of Life prevents that and consumes the BOL instead (which would be objectively worse for her).
       The passive is to prevent her from losing BOL from external sources.

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   • By now youve got a trillion good characters that you can unga bunga with. Why not go for a cool risk/reward character?
     Besides, when’s the last time you played co-op with a character with HP mechanics cos I’m guessing it’s never.

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6. It may be the worst idea ever but her CD of her skill is 15s. A bit long. I think i try her with a set of thundering fury together with raiden shogun. So she will constantly deal overload and the CD will go down by up to 6s. She doenst benefit from the +15% dmg bonus, but the 40(?)%dmg bonus to overload. Let the madness begin.

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   • Now, when I think about it, this idea does not look that bad because, for the exchange of DMG% and ATK% from other sets,
     you get better uptime for BoL and easier rotation.
     Add Cheverous to the mix, and it looks like a solid option as an overload team.

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     • A simple calculation says that in a single target situation if you absorb stage 3 blood debt, she can unleash 2 full strings and 3 attacks, or 3 full strings and 2 attacks, depending on how you interpret her skill and passive, on average a 3 full NA string is 10~12 seconds, it’s enough for any existing external buffs to run out
       In a multi target enemy you never need to worry

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       • It’s good that you mention it because, unlike Hu Tao\Xiao\Raiden\Itto,
         she can freely swap back to supports without losing her buffed infusion state, as long as her BoL is higher than 30%.

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7. so she scales Atk guys? which artifact should I build for her? Is there any new artifact that fits her in 4.6?
   I think I can roll c1 should I invest in that?

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   • The new artifact set is made for her
     imo her 2nd vest is gladiators
     and yes her C1 is a huge boost

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8. Can she use marechausee hunter, not sure how bond of life works, like is she going to decrease or increase her hp a lot for it to be consistent?

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   • She has no HP manipulation so no

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     • I think her self-healing from the skill can be considered “HP manipulation”

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       • I suppose but it’s once per 14/15s, definitely not enough for marechausee

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   • Only with Furina currently

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   • It’s not recommended because the only ways you’d activate the 4pc would be with furina or just taking dmg, she has anti synergy with furina as she can’t be healed by other characters and if she heals herself she loses a lot of her dps.

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     • So whats going to be her best set looks like furina is really just not going to work

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   • No, MH is poorly utilized on her because she has no HP drain and the only HP gain she can have is from her own heal (which you can’t just use at any time because it would remove her pyro infusion/dps increase mechanics early).

     You could technically enable it at least for like a rotation with Furina but the key problem with this is that she has strong factors that make her work poorly in Furina teams (can receive no healing from other people during combat and only heals once every 15 seconds and only at the end if you want to do damage).

     MH is only good if you can manipulate your HP quickly enough to gain stacks early in your damage window and keep them during that time. She can’t do this because she has no way to gain them quickly that is sustainable across more than one rotation because she can heal once per skill and when she does it ends her damage window immediately.

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9. So after analyzing her kit, she is a really fun dps to play with her new mechanic. Not really needing supports or healers to be powerful.

   With that being said her rotation at C0 is definitely:

   Arlecchino Casts her E –> Swap to other characters to do their rotations –> Go back to Arlecchino to do her Charged Atk for the Bond of Life Mechanic —> then Use Normal Attacks —-> Repeat

   What I like about her Pyro Normal Attacks is “bond of life based” rather than “time based” like Hu Tao, Diluc and Yoimiya. This gives her a better advantage of still dealing good damage even after she was staggered, that is why her A2 is important. With that being said, once per rotation if she has 100% bond of life applied to her, she can only perform 15 normal attacks.

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   • If I’m not mistaken, she consumes 5.5% of current value, I calculated 19 attacks, I used a calculator and the formula was “Ans-(Ans*5.5%)” until I hit 30%.
     I calculated 21 attacks on 100% bond of life value, and 15 attacks at 70% bond of life values

     If her N4 consumes consumes bond of life once that’s 3 and a half normal attacks string at 100% BoL

     If it sonsumes twice that’s 3 full strings at 100% BoL

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     • I think we will need confirmation from gameplay or game code analysis, but Genshin has a interesting habit of using % additively even when it seems it would be multiplicative. So even if they say 5.5% of the current value I wouldn’t be surprised if it it actually just means “subtracts 5.5 from the current bond of live amount which is measured in % of HP.” That said the non-linear style seems way more interesting to me because it would mean that the timing of gaining BoL within your window would matter (e.g. gaining 30% from 70% would not give as many hits as gaining 30% from just over 30%).

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10. Does her N4 consume BoL once or twice?

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    • It will be twice. Think of it like when someone uses the Crescent Pike, all multi hits obtain the buff as well. So it will be two very fast back to back 30k hits.

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    • How does it work for Rizzly? It should be the same as him, I think.

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      • His consumes 1 iirc, that’s why I wondered

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    • Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think it does because it will only drain bond of life every 0.05 secs and I think her N4 second hit comes out during the 0.05 cooldown

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