734 responses to “Neuvillette”

1. Bro are you high? Focalors isn’t even out yet and we don’t know her kit. How can you even think him with her will be anything. There’s zero proof or anything to base it off of.

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   • Surely anything about Furina’s kit is just guess. But one thing makes me believe she would probably have some synergy with Neuvi. This Chief Justice has the ability to generate and utilize the Droplets. However, his skill only generates 3 with 12s cd, and his burst needs 70 energy. If another hydro unit could supply extra Droplets for him, it would be really appreciated. His C1 also shows an implication on double hydro team. Now we have Hydro MC doing this job, but who will actually use it lol. I guess hoyo will create more hydro units that have something with Droplets, the Hydro Archon with the highest possibility.
     Anyway, I have no real evidence, and is waiting for Furina’s kit in several weeks.

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     • like we thought lynette will be the best support for lyney/ they would have good synergy.

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       • I just think there’s gonna be a BIG Hydro MC to team up with him, because they already create the Droplet mechanism. Expanding it to future units makes sense. It doesn’t actually need to be Furina but I hope so. One thing is sure that the Archons’ kits must be somehow unique.

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2. So is the only option to pull for Zhongli for him? I’ve heard Beidou doesn’t do shit for him in reality. Also would going for his C1 be more worth it than going Zhongli? To open another team slot as well>?

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   • I think it’s really overly dramatic to think you NEED zhongli to use C0 neuvilette when other shield characters exist but zhongli would definitely be a huge comfort pick, although I don’t think he has a whole lot of synergy with zhongli because hydro reactions are so important for his ascension passive so shielders like diona or layla might honestly be superior if you can get strong enough shields on them, baizhu could also probably work well (his shield is laughably bad but it still probides interruption res) but if you don’t have zhongli I doubt you have baizhu

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     • Crystallise counts as a hydro reaction

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     • Zhongli:

       1)Crystallize hydro
       2)petra set : Bonus Hydro
       3)-20 Res
       4)Strongest shield in the game
       5)protection against interruption resistance
       6)shield lasts a long time, which is great for Neuvilette’s rotations and personal damage

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       • That’s cool and all but unless I’m missing something and neuvillete’s charged attacks trigger shatter I think I would prefer enemies being frozen over literally all those benefits, and zhongli actively prevents that by shattering frozen enemies, maybe it could work for vape with xiangling? It’s some food for thought ig, first time someone has ever seriously thought about archaic petra over tenacity on zhongli and considering neuvillete scales off hp not atk it makes a bizarre amount of sense

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   • Layla and Diona seem to be fine shielding options. Dehya less so, since her IR uptime is pretty short for pure onfielders like Neuvi.

     Build EM Gorou and EM Albedo if Zhongli isn’t your cup of tea! (For legal reasons this is a joke). Honestly any IR booster that can fit into a rainbow team is a viable pick, especially if they have a lil elemental application for Neuvi’s Hydro Reaction passive (Hydro Crystallize and Hydro Swirl work here).

     The main reason Beidou isn’t too great is that running her as the solo electro would mess with her damage too much (higher ER needs means less damage, even with C2 Beidou synergizing with Neuvi’s CA). Combine Beidou’s OK-but-not-super-reliable off-field defence with the lowered damage and you’ve got a sloppy pairing.

     The only solo electro Beidou team I’ve found functional is TF Beidou with Nahida/C6 Benny/Xingqiu or Yelan. And that team only really works due to increased skill spamming and Beidou being allowed onfield.

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   • My problems with beidou
     1) You need to fishl yes or yes
     2) 40% ReS to interrupt is iffy, not as strong as zhongli’s
     3) lasts a short time, neuvilete needs long rotations
     4) It does not help to stack the A1 de neuvilette
     5) hungry for energy all the time,
     6) only deals personal damage, doesn’t provide buff or anything that buffs neuvilette’s personal damage

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     • 1) Emblem, ER sands, ER weapon. Just saying, it works.
       2) Trade between stronger IR (and a little less personal damage) for more team damage. Also it’s 200 dollars vs 6 wishes worth of starglitter on the shop.
       3) 15 seconds should be enough for 3xCAs, also it doesn’t wear off if your shield is broken…. also damage reduction is OP.
       4) I don’t get it. Did you confuse her with Candace or something? Have you ever played hydro with electro?
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       6) First, not getting interrupted IS a buff to his personal damage tbh, this is not Wanderer where you just get kocked back, if you get slapped down once your damage is over, you lose a third of your damage per rotation. You do not want to get slapped down.
       Second, Neuv currently has access to elemental shred and dmg% buffs, a Xiao/Cyno-like selfish hypercarry role would only be worth it IF there’s ever a way to buff max HP. Hydro resonance is only a thing you’d use at C1, so he’s balanced around dealing high enough damage but with no easy way to increase the stat they scale off of (that could change, they could release characters that buff max HP at some point, but right now there’s nothing) He also isn’t locked to 20 continuous seconds of field time, so he can use off field damage supports and reapply useful buffs when required, and the more utility those supports provide the better. Beidou gud.

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       • You’re not trading some IR for damage, beidou solo electro will invest so much in ER to be able to burst every rotation her damage will be trash when zhongli provides 20 global res shred which is substantial team dmg wise as often ran with fischl/kazuha but also allows for a no healer side, where beidou’s def utility won’t be enough to and you’ll be forced to run some type of healing like PA neuvi. Neuv beidou without fischl is cope and neuvi beidou fischl without some more IR is abyss/side dependent. Too many drawbacks, beidou is f2p conditional cope option.

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3. I can’t stand him.
   I will get him just to beam. Rather, I have too many characters I want, so I pull them one at a time.
   Fontaine would destroy my wallet.

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4. Ehehe, my Candace’s Burgeon Driver artifacts should work well on Neuvi! HP/Hydro/Crit DMG (I like seeing big shield counter numbers, sue me) with healthy energy recharge to boot. Unfortunately, Fischl is suffering big time in this domain, and she’s one of Neuvi’s best friends. I won’t rest until she gets full G.Troupe set but my god… at this rate I’ll get a third Hunter set in the process.

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5. Guys…
   My c0 neuvillete calculations on a standard enemy 90lvl ruin guard

   stats:
   lvl 90 neuvilette
   With around 32k Hp
   Widsith: 55 cd
   50 crit rate/280 crit dmg (believe it or not I managed to pull this off with my lucky artifacts)
   61 percent hydro dmg bonus(HoD 15 percent buff)

   artifacts: 2 piece Hod and two random ones

   talents:
   8/6/6

   Team:
   Kazuha- 40 percent reduction, 30 percent hydro buff
   Zhonglie- 20 perecnt def shred
   Mona: lvl8 talent 56 perecent dmg bonus (Hydro resonance 20 percent buff)

   Damage calculation(w/o widsith effect & all other team buffs):

   Charged attack: 45200 x 8 = 361600
   Elemental skill: 40657
   Burst: 70375+28801= 99176

   Damage calculation(Widsith Aria effect & all other team buffs):

   Charged attack: 54189 x 8 = 433512
   Elemental skill: 48742
   Burst: 84371+34529 = 118900

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   Bro… if this isnt the best dps in the game after 4.1
   I understand all the questions will arise how I got the calculations and they are wrong but this is the same calculator the community uses for all beta characters and its always accurate.
   Also keep in mind I got so lucky with my artifacts that im not even using his best in slot artifact set.
   For the usual f2p I think who doesnt have top support units like Kazuha,zhongli and mona, as well as those who dont have the best artifact luck,and is planning to use his f2p weapon I think would probably do around 40-50 percent less damage than mine. Which again it would still be around 200k charged attack damage. That is still hella good.

   Keep in mind my calculations are just his best output after his buffs from teams. Dont assume him alone can just whip out that type of damage lol. This is usual damage output from top dps like ayato hitting 20k+ slashes for 14 times during his e or ayaka doing 40k ticks 21 times for her burst at max buff. The only difference that sets neuvillete aside from those dps is the fact this is charged attack and can also be unleashed at a fast rate.

   He is actually ridiculously strong and I can only imagine him paired with furina instead of mona doing more damage. I suggest everyone who likes his gameplay to pull.

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   • for being strong, he clear is
     for being the best, it depends on many things as always, so saying that it means nothing.
     Even in mono geo itto can do the same,
     or xiao in his team, and much more with faruzan and with larger aoe
     or bloom team,
     or ayaka freeze
     or whatever

     plus neuvilette at c0 is almost forced to use zhongly, or freeze team, because his interr. resistance is crap
     so who cares about personal damage, you should see the whole team

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     • true, but I’d put his potential teams with Focalors above Xiao/Ittos better teams, somewhere around Althaithims better teams with Nahida – the synergy with archon units just makes them perform better overall. Maybe Itto/Xiao will get archon-level supports that work with their kit someday. C6 Faruzan/Gorou do make them competitive but far easier to get C0 archon. C6-ing 4-star supports is something of a joke with the bloated cast, they really should have a secondary pity system for 4 stars to prevent hundreds of rolls to get them. 4 star object amount is ridiculously large now

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   • I’m really dumb, I thought the neuvilette load was only one tick and there are several omegalol. So this shit hits hard, reminds me of some kind of ayaka ult. I hope furina can give him a powerful buff, if this could vape without being inconsistent and affecting his A1 it would be beautiful

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   • >>most of the hyper dps would hit similar dmg in rotations if you calculate like this<<. I mean best set up, perfect artifacts and 100% crit and hit rate. For example I will just talk about already available character… my xiao with black cliff 65% cr and 258% cd, 1954 atk, full signature artifact set, with c-3 farizan- zhongli-bennet hits 102-114k each plunge. assuming he can do just 8 plunges on full buff (out of 13 max) that's 800k+. If I lower cr and increase cd to make it like your build which I can actually do and sum up the dmg assuming 100% hit rate that's way beyond your dmg. Of course the talent levels in my case are maxed and you can argue you can spam ca with nuivellete which probably will lose some of the significant buffs, also note that I took only 8 plunges out of 13 doable.. You can guess my point. I don't have itto or scara but I know none of them fall too much behind or ahead of each other if you calculate like this. When you consider maximum investment, best set up and best dmg output dps boundaries between hyper dps would end up in close margins. The problem is its hard to get there.

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   • 200k total charged atk dmg is quite low with me (i guess), i guess he’s at balance level, not really strong, because your Neuvillete dmg is almost total dmg from that team. I don’t mind he’s average or balance level but i still can’t find any team that’s he’s being good more than existed char. Well, maybe it’s Mihoyo choice, they don’t want to created stronger char, that’s has both good and bad side : good – playing any char you want (for new-middle bie), bad – oldbie (who like power) lost reason to pull.

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     • The thing is Neuvi is very good on his own but he doesn’t have many supports that help him right now. Which means that he’s only going to get better if we get more characters that buff him. If Furina pairs well with him and offers HP buffs (and she probably will) then his teams will be massively better.

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6. tartas still the king!

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   • neuv is not in same niche with him

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7. Of course he wants high HP. But without hp boosting passives what are people thinking on the best overall hp value that can be obtained reasonably? 30k I know is extremely doable, but 40k while having good other stats seems iffy. I just want a more educated person giving an opinion on what HP value at the end of the day may be best or “good enough”.

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   • my build uses 2 pc HP% set with some HP substats+HP sands and cr weap, he only manages to get to 35k HP

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   • Take this with a Havria amount of salt. I run an optimizer for the stats with C0R1-Mare’s sets as the baseline without buff from an external source. the best possible stats you can achieve from artifact only are 40323 HP, ~100% CR, 316.5% CD. It’s with the distribution of 13 rolls of HP%, 15 rolls of CR%, and 10 rolls of CD% (38 effective damage rolls). Of course, this is impossible to achieve but realistically even with ~25 effective rolls, it shows a trend of CR>HP% > CDMG (opt. 10 HP% rolls. 15 CR rolls, 0 CDMG rolls) with his weapon.

     However, with a weapon other than his sig, CDMG become more valuable since when I run the opt. with Proto Amber for example. the best distribution for ~25 eff.rolls is (4 HP% rolls, 15 CR rolls. 6 CDMG rolls) still maintaining ~37000 HP, ~100% CR, 198% CD. So, my suggestion is:

     1. CR is the best stat to maximize until you reach a 1:2 ratio with CR:CDMG without exceeding 100% value.
     2. When you reach CR of ~100% and CDMG > 200% (it already has 238.8% as a baseline if you use his sig) any HP% stats are better than CDMG

     In summary, focus on the crit value to 1:2 as high as possible until 200% CDMG, then the rest goes to HP%. (ofc after the energy needs are filled)

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     • That is good to keep in mind, thank you! Do you think EM should be really there at all though? With how much he applies it seems I was thinking on the very low end (no hits of it but maybe own)

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8. I like atk animations but ugly back hair and jp voice doesn’t match his image. it sounds like a 13 yo kid.

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   • what? I think his voice fits perfectly. Levis va suits a large span of ages and I personally think it goves him a special touch

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   • Don’t every single JP sound like teenagers? xD

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9. Imagine if they change his talent books after people started to grind
   lmao

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10. I’m don’t want to start a battle of who is better or anything like that, but I want to ask as someone who already has a designated Hydro DPS in Ayato, so to speak.

    Numbers aside, what reason would I want to play Neuvillette over Ayato?

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    • I have ayato and often used it.

      My reason to move from ayato to neuvelitte is :
      1. Neuvelitte is more damage orient than ayato, so if youre looking for more “hydro dps” neuvilette is the one.
      2. You can use Neuvelitte’s NA to apply hydro onto enemy and then you can swirl it before you can hit it with your damaging attacks. Ayato can do it too, but it needs his burst ready.
      3. He is more flexible. Neuvilette not forcing you to stay on-field for a certain time without consequences. Using ayato usually forcing you to use other member skill before ayato’s E. Neuvilette a bit more flexible, since he can use burst/skill to produce the droplet and switch to use other member’s skills and then back to neuvillette to use his charged attack (the droplet still here, not gone if neuv’s gone offield).

      But they’re different though, neuvilette is more hypercarry DPS, ayato is more like driver DPS supported with his widest range of hydro application.

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    • Just in case someone gets mad at me somehow, I just want to preface what I’m about to say with this: you don’t NEED any particular reason or anyone’s recommendation to get a character, if you want neuvillete purely because he’s hot and nothing else i have no arguments against that and no one can tell you otherwise.

      As for me personally I don’t see any particularly strong reasoning as to why anyone would NEED neuvillete if they already have ayato outside of personal preference, neuvillete is by all means a pretty strong functional hydro unit and probably stronger damage wise than ayato but ayato is practically the hydro king of versatility, he fits on basically any team that could conceivably need a hydro character and works wonderfully both on field and off field which is something I don’t think neuvilette can compete with because he has pretty strict on field requirements, neuvillete is probably stronger as an on field hydro carry than ayato but ayato can do the on field carry role well on top of things neuvilette flat out can’t do like be an off field burst support for freeze teams, if you do however think neuvillete’s superior on field damage is worth wishing for I can’t argue against that but just keep in mind furina is likely to come and powercreep every hydro character to some extent so do make sure to give thought to what you find valuable

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      • it’s part of genshin community’s genetics asking over and over the same shit
        it’s been 3 years already, people will never stop to ask the same stupid questions tho there are thousands of questions and answers already

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      • Tbh anyone who gets mad because someone prefers a character over another character for any reason should touch some grass — actually go touch a whole forest. It’s just a game.

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    • I pulled Ayato even thought I already had Childe.
      Now I’ll pull Neuvillette even thought I already have two hydro dps husbandos.
      Why? Because versatility and different playstyles. Also I love hydro.

      On a slightly more serious note, this game is easy. You won’t NEED Neuvillette unless you refuse to pull the other options for… reasons, but that’s not your case since you already have Ayato. Whether or not you WANT Neuvillette tho, that’s a different matter.
      If you like his appearance, playstyle, kit and have primos to spare then go for it. Otherwise wait for a rerun or for more infos from theorycrafters when he gets released.
      Like others have said, remember that Furina will be back to back with him most likely. Archons tend to be more of a necessity compared to yet another main dps, if efficiency is your priority.

      Personally, as I said, I will pull Neuvillette AND Furina, but I’m not F2P (Welkin only, tho I could top-up but never do) and my account is cracked enough already. I don’t particularly care about efficiency now.

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    • answer is if you like his aesthetic. Ayato better for hydro reaction based team, he also can be played as hyper carry with yunjin, Bennett… from what I can guess neuvillet is more suited for monohdro/hyper team.

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      • bro no, Neuvillette is NOT for monohydro. he is most likely powercreeping Ayato to oblivion in taser teams. Can’t say much about bloom teams yet. Freeze is for Mona/Kokomi

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    • I don’t know. Look at the way you phrased your question : “what reason would I want to play Neuvillette over Ayato?” You tell us.

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