734 responses to “Neuvillette”

1. Just wondering if Tullaytullah Remembrance works well with Neuvillette

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2. If they nerf him he will be garbage

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   • No he won’t lmao. Alhaitham was in a similar position prerelease where he was insanely strong and people lost their minds when Hoyo nerfed him, but in the end he still ended up being S tier because he was already so strong to begin with. Right now Neu looks even better, and if they nerf him he’ll still be one of the best DPS units in the game. Even more so because he’s Hydro and Hydro as an element is busted.

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3. *eagerly waiting for someone doing “interNEUtional” upon his banner

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4. C3 gives levels to NAs?? we could have a character with lvl 13 NAs?? damn

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   • Lyney also has +3lvl to NAs

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   • lyney, freminet and wriothesley have that constellation too

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   • its too unfair to the other chars who mainly rely on their NA/CA especially ganyu and yoimiya
     ganyu c0 deals the same CA damage as c6 and yoimiya’s burst is pretty trash i dont see the point giving her burst +3 on her cons same with ganyu her +3 on her E couldve been just +3 NA

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5. I really hope neuvillete can survive the nerfs.
   this character looks pretty strong on his own, he doesn’t need other units to shine and that’s pretty rare in hoyoverse. Sure, the Focalors will most likely be played together, but if he can make this character even better, he’ll be really strong.

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   • honestly he’s in a pretty odd position. He’s an all rounder that doesn’t need specific teams to work, but the downside of this is that none of his teams are busted or broken. He has really high scalings so his vape-able attacks do really high damage, but the game in general lacks HP supports, other than hydro resonance and yelan C4. Meaning that his higher scalings are justified and that his damage is about in line with most other units in game- or just a bit stronger than them.

     I also haven’t been able to think of a unique team for him – hes pretty similar to ayato, but ayato has his burst, while neuvillette has higher scalings.

     I’m also curious as to what they’re going to do with focalors, and how she will work with neuvillette.

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     • ok I take back what i said about his damage, its a fair bit better than i gave it credit.

       i did some napkin math, so with
       HP/DMG/CR
       The Event Catalyst, with 3 stacks applied
       65%CD, 25%CR, 20%HP in substats,
       hydro resonance,
       hunter artifact set,
       8 hits with CA,
       kazuha on team,
       HP above 80%

       he can do about 50k DPS with his CA. So a rotation with 3 CAs lasting 12 sec total will do around 600k damage.
       This is just his own damage as well, in a team like national he will be a very strong character (assuming he can keep up with xiangling).
       This is with a decent amount of crit from substats, but not an unreasonable amount.

       But this is just napkin math so its very possible i made a mistake. I am also hoping he can survive the nerfs.

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       • Another team he could use is him with Raiden, Kokomi, and Kazuha. Not sure how good his damage will be then since there won’t be vape, but Raiden or Fischl whoever’s used will be able to do enough reactions for his charge attack buff passive, while Kokomi gives him more max hp and helps keep him over 80% hopefully, while Kazuha buffs his damage

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         • I think a hyperbloom team might be more suitable for Neuvillette. Dehya’s got an overload burgeon team that takes both Kuki and Dehya, but replacing Ayato with Neuvillette may grant neuvillette all the Draconic Glories stacks he needs. If we instead have Xiangling, you’re getting more reactions with a monstrous AoE of pyro than a confined space of slower pyro app, which doesn’t let you finely tune towards hydro reactions like electro charged over overload, hydro swirl over pyro swirl, and bloom over burning. Dehya will have the opportunity to vape, but not steal any of Neuvillette’s thunder since Neuvillette’s the one to electro charged, not Dehya overloading to oblivion, and to have bloom over burning.

           I can absolutely see Kazuha in a dragon soup team. Raiden’s an interesting choice but Em Raiden makes a lot more sense. Raiden will only have assisted hydro app from Kokomi and Kazuha. But if you want to keep him over 80% and get 3 stacks of Draconic Glories, may I introduce you to Baizhu. IR? Check. Healing enough to stay over 80%? Check. Enabling 3 hydro reactions to take place? Check. The salad team is Baizhu, Neuvillette, Kazuha, Fischl. Baizhu:Healer, slow bloom production, Ir. Neuvillette: Driver, hydro DPS, a cannon. Kazuha: Hydro swirl, CC, VV shredder, dmg bonus. Fischl: Electro-charged and quicken, off field dps (especially with Golden Troupe), energy.

           Sure, Kokomi is a good sub but where oh where is your interruption resistance? It ain’t enough to be without a shield at C0. Just getting hit once will cut the CA short.

         • So, isn’t Neuvillette an inverse Hu Tao? Opposite elements yet plays like Hu Tao and even the same value of Max HP. Neuvillette’s dmg bonus ascension is based off the same 30% HP that it costs to use Hu Tao’s skill. Hu Tao wants to play at 50% max Hp or below. Neuvillette’s CA stops his HP drain at 50% max HP. Yet the dmg bonus passives are opposites. Hu Tao gains 33% pyro dmg bonus below 50% max Hp. Then Neuvillette gains a max of 30% hydro dmg bonus at 80% of max Hp or above.

           So doesn’t that mean that Baizhu found a real job as a shield-healer? I know his shield is actually just an IR film, but it will still provide IR for Neuvillette plus it will heal him. Otherwise, you’re gonna have to play Zhongli and a healer besides him. I called it when I said we will have to have interruption resistance and a healer, yet people said I was coping.

           So, with the inverse Hu tao, would he be better in national or a hyperbloom team? National keeps him from getting 3 Draconic Glories which is better than having an atk buff and dead pyro resonance for the star of the show, Neuvillette. If it were me, I think the reactions you’d have for Neuvillette are the soup reactions- Hydro swirl, electro-charged, and vaporize or bloom.
           A. Hydro swirl is covered for with Kazuha or even Jean, with her healing of Dandelion Field.
           B. Electro charged is covered for with Fischl, especially on Golden Troupe, or a high ER Beidou, who will provide IR through her Burst.
           C. For vaporize, unfortunately, you’d give up a third reaction running Xiangling unless super high ER and on ER weapon, or you’d run with Dehya or just Bennett pyro swirl from Kazuha.
           D. As for bloom, you could perhaps run with Nahida, but I’m thinking Baizhu or Yaoyao will be preferred- Baizhu for overpowered healing to keep Neuvillette at 80+% max Hp and once per 2.5s IR, or Yaoyao to compete against the depletion of HP, but it also causes a loss of dendro app, so it’s likely Baizhu for defense and Nahida on offense.

           Neuvillette’s teams appear to run a pretty high ER requirement. You have national team for Neuvillette but Neuvillette’s not pretty cheap for managing his rotation. He has that 70 cost burst and produces 4 hydro particles, just like Yelan. You’ll need to sacrifice DPS for energy via Prototype Amber, and as a solo hydro, likely running as much ER as Yelan, or slightly less due to having on-field presence. There is also Beidou as competitor as a companion, who is also energy hungry so her own Atk stat falls short and beidou triggers Burst off of CA and gives IR so she is a highly contested associate. She will probably be running Fav or running hard on ER with ER sands and ofc Emblem as usual. Ofc, it is compensated with bennett and then Kazuha, so you have a soup team there.

           The other thing is that we also lack a roster for CA-synergistic hydro batteries. XIngqiu doesn’t synergize with Neuvillette as someone who prays and sprays without doing any NA, so Xingqiu’s hydro app runs flat. Same with Yelan. My best bet is HMC. He sucks for sure, but as someone who with crit circlet and Marechaussee hunter set alone, has a remarkably high crit rate with no substats involved. We are looking at 67 crit rate for someone with a solid 6s of on-field presence. That plus HMC producing 3.33 repeating hydro particles as well as 4 Sourcewater droplets, of which can be used interchangeably between Neuv and HMC themselves, makes HMC a weird but suitable hydro battery for Neuv, with the issue of dropped team dps and instances where Fav proccs and HMC collects it instead, as well as missing 3rd hydro reaction.

           Neuvillette is an interesting character, one that gives up to gain another thing. You gain flexibility, but you lose on stronger CA damage. He is also the type that wants healing and IR both. Just the fact that C1 grants IR means that the issue came across Hoyo game designer’s minds in his development. Neuvillette is likely our very first TRUE hydro DPS. Childe and Ayato are runner-ups but never taking an obvious majority of team damage. So Neuvillette really is a soup DPS but maybe an electro-charged vape team DPS as well.

6. so tell me, if his kamehameha is like a continuum, how its crit rate is calculated?

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   • Each individual hit. I can’t think any multi-hit in the game where one crit means they all crit.

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     • so if you miss the initial crit, the whole kamehameha is non crit? hm that could be fine but…

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       • No it’ll work the same way every other skill in the game does.
         Every individual hit to every individual enemy will be calculated separately.

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7. Laugh at the META and proceed to build him FULL EM for the world most notorious NNNN team Neuv, Nahida, Nilou, Naizhu

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   • LMAO

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   • i was about to say ‘Gigabased’ replacing the first letter with N but i don’t think that’d be a good idea

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   • This guy genshins

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8. Honestly, He looks really fun! Unfortunately he looks like a pain to build.
   He wants 4 main stats:
   ER, HP, CR & Cdmg
   If he uses MH for CR & his Signature he’s fine. Prototype Amber can replace it, but then you have no Cdmg unless you have lucky rolls.
   You could use Rosaria for Crit and HP artifact sets like ToM and VG, but there are no good Cdmg options aside from his sig…

   I’m spitballing here, but I think the best options would be MH + PAmber / sig, 2pcTom+2pcVg + Rosaria/Lost Prayer/Kagura?

   Honestly I’m a psuedo-wannabe theorycrafter lol
   What do y’all think?

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   • i don’t think it’s as difficult as you make it out to be. it’s like building hu tao, she wants hp, EM, cr and cdmg. pretty typical for character to want two of the big stats and a crit ratio. i do agree that amber will be a good choice tho

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     • the thing with hutao tho, em contributes directly to her dmg numbers where sacrificing an er sands/roles drops dmg numbers. its harder in that you need to reach a sweet spot of er to not lose out on too much dmg.

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   • Its construction is not difficult, I would say that it is very easy.
     He doesn’t need critical chance, because the new set of artifacts and a battle pass catalyst, for example, give him enough critical chance.
     Your energy needs are not as high as you think, nothing that some auctions cannot solve, characters with favonius, etc.
     The biggest thing I would look for and focus on is health and critical damage.

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9. His damage multiplier would be appropriate considering the charge time and the time it takes to collect the water drops.
   If you nerf him from here without taking that effort into account, you end up with a half-baked character.

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   • I guess he is not ment to be played with charge time. just use burst and skill and you have 3 instant casts. he hits supposedly 8 times with each charge and it does 14,5% hp yelan does 8,8% hp 14×3. so they do around the same damage at a first glance but he has more cvalue thanks to a suitable artifact set and around the same dmg% AND A x1,6 dmg multiplier what is easy to achieve with c1 + aoe. not to forget that yelan is already broken as hell but a single target unit.
     yes, I would say it’s pretty likely they nerf him like they did with alheitham. I also hope so otherwise his dmg becomes the standard and all the dps befor him become irrelevant what would suck hard.

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10. I just notice, that C3 increase his normal attack talent instead of E skill. Is this the first time limited character have constellation increasing normal attack talent ? (He really does benefit with normal attack talent level up since his charge attack scale with it after all)

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    • Lyney and Freminet have cons that increase their NA

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      • So does Wriothesley, it’s becoming very common for Fontaine characters.

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    • “C3 increases NA” trend started on Fontaine patch, so expect more

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