967 responses to “Navia”

1. how her e work?

   500/first hit
   50/additional hit
   total base(11 hits/3 charges):500+50*10=500*2
   more than 3 charges:(100+15)%*base

   total damage: (500+50*11)*1.15

   new leak?:700+140*10=2100=700*3

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   • I hope you’re right and the skill desc is just really bad at explaining it. Would make a lot of sense for the consistency between pellets in the shot and explain why stacking charges works the way it does. Rather than the skill description is implying the damage is the same unless you hit EVERYTHING.

     God damn that’ll be wild if that buffed version is real and hits live though.

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   • Is that new leak really true. I saw only a couple of tweets about it and not from any trusted leakers

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   • It’s not true lmao. You all are so desperate lol so sad and pathetic.

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     • its confirmed already, they buffed arts set and her E up to 710%

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   • So are people losing their minds over a change that still isn’t confirmed, or is this site particularly slow to update things now? I remember updates publishing on Honey Hunter a lot faster than this in the past so I’m wondering which it is.

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2. I’ve been contemplating a particular aspect of power creep, and it’s closely tied to Bennett. Up until this patch, power creep hasn’t been a significant concern; there have been minor adjustments here and there, but nothing particularly alarming. Although Dendro characters are known to be formidable, teams utilizing elemental reactions remained competitive.

   It seems they’ve intentionally avoided making 5-star characters excessively overpowering. However, I’d like to propose that the real power creep might be related to the so-called “holy trinity” (international) with a special focus on Bennett.

   Instead of attempting to make new 5-star characters stronger than their predecessors, they appear to be subtly impacting the effectiveness of older teams. Could it be that they cannot or do not want to engage in direct power creep for various reasons, such as potential negative effects on sales? Instead, they opt for an indirect approach by targeting support characters. They may not be able to completely nullify Childe’s vaporize setups with Kazu, but they can gradually erode the overall strength of the team.

   Now, don’t get me wrong; the current team compositions are still quite formidable. However, there might come a day when they won’t be as dominant. This leads to a paradox: Bennett’s exceptional strength makes him the central focus of this form of power creep. Rather than enhancing the power of some or all 5-star units, they seem determined to surpass every team that can incorporate Bennett.

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   • Good observation! How would you say this relates to Navia? You think her Bennett dependency makes her better than Childe variants? And also how would you compare other Bennett dependent carries (Wanderer, Xiangling, Yoimiya etc) to Navia?

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   • With what you said, coupled with the obvious inability or desire for them to release viable alternatives to Bennett as is, it seems apparent to me that they intend neuter him as much as humanly possible before possibly nerfing him. It seems to be the only explanation for why they are going out of their way to target him specifically and yet despite all this, he’s still the most used unit. Almost as if he’s far too strong or something.

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   • wrote a fkin essay instead having fun playing the game

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   • New teams that’s all

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   • yes, but they can’t because Xiangling exist, they would have to hit the whole Pyro bunch if they intend to hit Bennett and that would kill their cash cow, and therefore, most of Hoyo’s projects as we know them

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3. Unlucky we got trolled. She got a 20NA nerf in the current beta and she has big problems hitting targets since she can not aim up. amazing design Hoyoverse. Dehya 2.0 incoming.

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   • wdym dehya didn’t get her prophesized evolution that was about to come with hydro archon???!!!

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   • Not being able to aim upwards is a real low blow

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   • New leaks out

     (Talent level 10) E buffed from 553% to 700%, damage multiplier from 11 shardshots buffed from 2x to 3x

     Full 4-piece effect on Nighttime Whispers in the Echoing Woods buffed from +40% Geo DMG to +50% Geo DMG

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     • Are you… sure? 2415% x2 dmg multiplier at 6 charges sounds pretty broken.

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       • Sounds like Neuvilete tier character

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       • Don’t ask me what sounds broken or not, I’m too broke to know

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       • Yeah, it really was too good to be true

         710.6% base damage but the damage multiplier is still 2x, not 3x, and her burst got nerfed by around 10%

         Artifact set is still buffed, though, and if I ever get her C2 in the future it’ll give +36% CR on her E, up from 24% CR

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   • The Harbinger of truth got deceived by disinformation

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   • You say that with every character. You genshin players are too dramatic

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     • we have a tcg player here

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4. that’s Gangplank from LoL

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5. Ittopium mains need to stop coping and just upgrade to Navia. Hoyo is learning from their mistakes from trying to shoehorn him and other Geo units to be defense scaling units that only really work in mono teams. Genshin is fixing those problems with Navia. Powercreep is how gacha works, just get Navia.

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   • how many more times are you gonna say the same thing with different words? your comments are getting boring lately

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     • Oh no, not yet another uncreative name

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       • uncreative? I actually find it better than those who just put mid in between everything, at least this one makes a pun with the name

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     • Since when did I start commenting for crowd amusement😂😂. I’m but a preacher of truth i.e. “FONTAINE POWERCREEP is the real deal”. No matter how you rephrase that it forever remains the same one truth, just like those powercrept mains remain to inhale more and more copium to forever cope with their mediocre subjects.

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       • You’ve always been commenting for our amusement, you’re the local clown

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         • and lil sauce guy working to save weebmanity🤣 you should find some real hobby than chit-chatting with anonymous strangers in every comments thread lil college boi

         • …better some part time job that pays. I’m sure Honey hunter doesn’t pay for this service🤣🤣

         • I don’t know what’s going on.. but I like this sudden surge of Fontane activists,🤣🤣

         • weak ass replies mr floptaine powermid

   • Fontaine is on a whole other level man

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     • And I mean it

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6. So just looking at this I’m not really seeing why she’s ‘bad’. The numbers seem pretty decent right? I mean her skill is the same multiplier as Ushi on Itto missing the damage% from his burst I know but she gets two of them and the damage scales up with more shots (if I’m reading this correctly). The Geo infusion ties in nicely with her rotation to gain more crystalise shards, and positive synergy with Furina and Yelan (which makes up the damage% from Itto right?). She can use Bennet because of Attack scaling, can use double geo to score more crystalise reactions for her shards. What exactly am I missing from the equation? Could somebody explain this to me

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   • You are not missing anything. it’s just some people can’t take upgrades. It’s like when you try to make your 70s granny switch their old buttoned garbage phones with smartphones, it’s just pointless to try to argue with those copium-breathing non-fontaine mains who are just better off with their outdated, already powercreept characters. Let them trash upgrades because upgrades are just not meant for everyone.

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7. this doesn’t make sense with the numbers shown.

   “When a character in the party obtains an Elemental Shard created from the Crystallize reaction, Navia will gain 1 Crystal Shrapnel charge. Navia can hold up to 6 charges of Crystal Shrapnel at once. Each time Crystal Shrapnel gain is triggered, the duration of the Shards you have already will be reset.
   When she fires, Navia will consume all Cyrstal Shrapnel charges and open her elegant yet lethal Gunbrella, firing multiple Rosula Shardshots that can penetrate opponents, dealing Geo DMG to opponents hit.
   When 0/1/2/3 or more charges of Crystal Shrapnel are consumed, 5/7/9/11 Rosula Shardshots will be fired respectively. The more Rosula Shardshots that strike a single opponent, the greater the DMG dealt to them. When all 11 Rosula Shardshots strike, they deal 200% of the original amount of DMG.
   In addition, when more than 3 charges of Crystal Shrapnel are consumed, every charge consumed beyond those 3 will crease the damage dealt by that shot by an additional 15%.”

   did they forget to show the “rosula shardshot shrapnel dmg”?

   those shardshots should work like ninggunang’s gems in her burst: they can only hit one target and have their own dmg (“The more Rosula Shardshots that strike a single opponent, the greater the DMG dealt to them.”).
   she can have 6 total crystal shrapnel charges.
   with 3 or more charges the shrapnel dmg is doubled.
   each charge above 3 will increase the dmg up to additional 0.45 times (this could also just mean +15% of atk instead of original shrapnel dmg).

   the dmg calculation should be something like this:
   base dmg plus 5 if 0 charges or 7 if 1 charge or 9 if 2 charges or 1 1 if 3 or more charges multiplied by shrapnel dmg muliplied by (2 if 3 or more charges plus 0.15 mutliplied by charges minus 3 if 4 or more charges)

   on lvl10 with 6 charges this means:
   553% + 11 * shrapnel dmg * (2 + 0.15 *3)
   let’s say the shrapnel dmg is 50% at that lvl then this equals to 1900%.
   with 0 charges it is 803%.

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   • There’s videos on the leaks subreddit that very clearly show how her skill works. I’d recommend watching those

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     • sorry i am too dumb to navigate reddit.
       i saw a video where someone shows the iability to aim upwards into a venti burst.

       there where no crystal shards and no correct dmg numbers.
       the video is not from beta server but from private server instead, which often lacks some mechanics.

       but i think you mean that the dmg is at once and not like ningguangs burst.
       “The more Rosula Shardshots that strike a single opponent, the greater the DMG dealt to them.” there still needs to be a dmg calculation per enemy.

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   • Razor Language me.

     Rosula Shardshot (without s) in the table
     Rosula Shardshots (with s) in the paragraph

     Rosula Shardshot base dmg (per missile tlnt lv 10): 556%

     When 0 sharpnell, you shoot 5 Rosula Shardshots.
     556%*5 is the real base.

     when you have 3 sharpnell, you shot 11 Rosula Shardshots.
     556%*11= A lot.

     I dont understand the 200% part. I assume 556*11 and then + 200%. No way 556*11*2

     It must be wrong. That is too high. Please correct me because I blame the wording.

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     • 553% per shot is obviously too much, that’s why i used 50% per shot as an example for a high but still realistic number.

       “they deal 200% of the original amount of DMG” this explicitly says of the original amount of dmg and not of atk, so it means doubling.

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       • yeah I dont think its correct, not sure why her skill desc is like this, but still early too see, cause its missing something and not final, not sure if you guys missed the last part, but she has 2 charges like sucrose, even if its only a 1k damage with max shard for the 1st one and 500 for the 2nd one without shard, that is a still a lot, cause assuming you go with 18 sec before switching to navia thats an instant 1500% damage, getting her c1 makes her burst 100% uptime if you can mantain her energy, even if the skills are somewhat wrong, yeah her burst is not that great but with her skill, infusion and passive 40% attack bonus, the only downside I can see from her is her infusion duration, it doesnt say it duration per shardshot that would have been nice. but I dont think she is that weak, we need more info.

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     • Thanks Razor

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   • Basically the wording of the skill makes it sound like the skill fires different amounts of shots with each stack. It doesn’t behave like that unfortunately. It doesn’t matter if you have 0 stacks or 3 stacks, the damage calculation is only 1 hit. So if you hit all the shots (don’t know how it can tell if you hit them all before the damage is done), you get the damage bonus for 1 hit. So it ends of up being 550%*2 not 550%*11*2.

     I think they should change how the skill works entirely. I think they should remove this different amounts of shots thing from the skill and just have each increasing stack add more damage bonus to the skill, say 33% per stack up to six stacks and at max stacks the damage is increased by an additional 50% or something like that. 33%*6 would be close to 200%. Or they could do the 3 stacks and make it 66% damage increase per stack up to 3 stacks and then the 15 % per stack on top of that. As the skill is right now, it is very underwhelming and misleading. I hope they either buff the skill or change how it works.

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     • if number of stacks or shardshots doesn’t influence the dmg, then this is a bug (or based on private server with wrong dmg calculation).
       otherwise the text is totally wrong and incoherent.

       and the number label says base dmg, so there should be a non-base dmg.
       or it really is multiplied by 5 to 11 but that is just too much.

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       • You’re exactly right. The skill description is totally wrong and incoherent. Technically it can hit multiple enemies if used from farther away that point blank but I have no idea how that affects the damage on each individual enemy (“more Rosula Shardshots that strike a single opponent, the greater the DMG dealt to them”). In any case, each shardshot is not its own damage calculation. Based on the recently leaked buffs to her E and her artifact set, I would say that the way the skill works is not a bug and they fully realized that her damage sucked.

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     • Eh, it should stay the same, but not calculated as a single shot hit especially since shotguns do multiple hits of injury in real life. Fired a shotgun really recently. For it to be one single instance, it would basically be a slug shotgun like its calculated in the game rn.

       the game likely has a scan detector that outlines how many shardshots land against an enemy. I like the addition of “more ammo=more ammo fired out. Navia just really needs a larger hurtbox for each shardshot and greater vertical aim.

       I think just multiple instances of damage would be the best way for the shotgunbrella to get a buff so you have multiple instances of additional 200% damage rather than 2000% more damage on just one hit.

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8. Someone who knows how betas work better than me, when do beta rebalances usually show up? People seem to know when that’s gonna be a thing and I wanna track the updates on here (if there are any rebalances anyway).

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   • Usually no major changes on week 1
     Week 2-4 is where most of the action happens

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9. I think I got it how Mihoyo’s balancing team works.
   As they most probably came from Honkai 3, where balancing usually is performed within element (with abyss “disorders” and bosses created to be countered by specific one, while rest are in disadvantage), they balanced Navia within geo standards which are pretty low.

   Nevi and Furina are from the most OP element (some may say dendro, but hydro has more variety and more broken OP units), thus they were made overtuned to match XQ/Yelan/Kokomi/Childe

   Plus Navia works with Bennett, which is also big red flag nowadays, as devs are trying to get rid of Benny in all the ways possible (HP, EM scaling, pyro wrecking dendro reactions, enemies dealing ice/hydro damage making you vulnerable on his Q) and creating top meta team with him is the last thing they want.

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   • Getting rid of Bennett (and Kazuha) is the best thing the devs can do for team diversity in this game imo. It’s telling they do all that to ‘rid of him’ and he still ends up being the most used unit.

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   • except pyro does not ruin dendro reactions at all, burning allows easy setup for reverse melt and vape+burgeon

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     • I meant meta dendro reactions obviously
       If you want to play copium mid-tier teams, at that rate you should be fine with Navia as she is too

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       • Leave him be. They’re probably someone who absolutely has to have Bennett in every team otherwise it ‘sucks’.

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   • Navia is honestly good. Her ult is the same as Ayato’s and Ganyu’s apparently, the skill’s damage is very high and the NAs are strong. Only those who don’t play Genshin properly will think it’s bad, seriously.
     Wow, they finally launch a Geo character that escapes the Mono Geo team and you’re still complaining?

     It’s not a question of getting rid of Bennet, because there has been a good team without Bennet since before Dendro was released. The community that is dependent on Bennet, because they overestimated him too much.
     The question is: Until they launched Dendro, we didn’t have anything focused on EM. Until they launched Yelan, we didn’t have anything focused on HP.
     It’s not a red flag to cast a character that works well with Bennet. Red flag is that people depend on him to do anything in the game, because that means the community is stupid, not that Bennet is too strong.
     That said, there was a lack of a character that takes advantage of Crystallize, and it’s always good when a character that serves multiple teams is released, especially for an almost forgotten element.

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     • Tbf, Bennett is strong because he can fill 3 roles while other 4* units can barely fill one (other than the original 5 and Layla). That said, i totally support your point that people can’t think beyond Bennett in most units, yeah, he is the best for like 4 units (Yoimiya, Lyney, Xiangling and Childe), but Navia doesn’t need Bennett having Cryo resonance available

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   • Problem is that after those literal MASSES of HP Scaling Units
     And almost every GEO Unit except Ninguang scaling on DEF
     Wich Stat shouldve chosen to Scale her on?
     EM on Geo? Would never really work
     ER could work, but still basically Suck ass on her Kit, making it Burst reliant… wich she isnt, since her Main DMG is her Elemental, wich doesnt care about ER in the slightest
     So, as soon as any Unit bases on ATK, wich should be any DPS USUALLY, its Benny that Buffs a lot.
     Hoyo experimented with DEF/HP/EM Scaling and came to the Conclusion, that Navias Kit requires her to Scale on ATK and not on Def to make her different from Noelle and Itto
     She even Profits a lot from Mix-Elemental Teams instead from Mono-Geo, since her LV70 Passive increases her ATK if 2 other Elements are in the Party.
     So with 2 Geo + 2 Others , while Second Geo buffs her Geo DMG, she should benefit the most. Ofc giving her Benny + Yelan/Xinqiu will be the best as always … but hey… unless Hoyo releases a Support Char that out-Stats Benny, he will always be BiS for ATk Scaling

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10. She is Fontaine’s Xiao. Another character getting an emotional sad story background and then ending up as mid reactionless dps after all the development for her in archon quest.

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    • She is a compared before Xiao

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    • You just described yourself lmao

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