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1. Am I cooking or am I dumb? I had an idea for a team with Kinich, Bennett, Xiangling, and Kachina (I don’t have the funds for Emilie) where I run Kachina to generate crystallize that lets me run Verdict on him, and her being able to trigger Nightsoul Burst would allow for both stacks of his atk bonus passive since one stack can only be generated once per 18 seconds when there’s only 1 Natlan character and his passive stacks only last 15 seconds so only one stack is possible without a second Natlan character. Thoughts?

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   • It unfortunately doesn’t exactly work as you’d hope.

     Verdict’s damage bonus wears off after one use. For Navia this doesn’t matter because all her skill hits are nukes, but for kinich, all of his smaller hits you use with his normal attacks are considered skill damage. So if you pick up a crystallize shield, most of the time you’ll end up wasting the buff on the small hits instead of the nuke (honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they made it like this intentionally). It’s also a question of how consistently you can even pick up the shields with kinich’s movement pattern.

     Now I don’t really know how nightsoul bursts work with how and how often they get triggered, but I do know that the passive wears off after 1 skill nuke (it also doesn’t buff his attack stat, but rather it increases the scaling ofhis skill). So in order to get the full benefit, you’d have to proc 2 nightsoul bursts every single skill use.

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2. Here’s a build guide for Kinich with what we currently know:
   Best artifacts for Kinich as a main DPS from best to worst (as of the date this comment is posted):
   4pc Obsidian Codex – Overall DMG % is always good for a DPS, free 40% crit rate just for using the character’s kit as intended is always good too, makes building the character easier
   4pc Unfinished Reverie – Kinich’s kit is overall built around Burn and Burgeon, once again, overall free DMG % just for using your kit as intended is always good for a DPS, I do think this will generally do more damage than Obsidian Codex, but it’s not as forgiving in terms of building since you won’t get that free 40% crit rate from Obsidian Codex’s 4pc (Obsidian is easier to build, Reverie is stronger imo)
   2pc Golden Troupe 2pc Deepwood Memories – This is for pre-Obsidian builds, if you get goated early Obsidian pieces you can replace Deepwood or Golden Troupe (I’d replace Deepwood > Golden Troupe) Obsidian, Golden Troupe provides a nice increase to Kinich’s ES DMG (since that’s most of the damage in his kit), and Deepwood provides a nice stat increase.
   4pc Deepwood Memories – I’d honestly prefer just giving this to another unit in your team, but if you have no other options this does a pretty decent amount of damage on it’s own, just not as comparable to the other artifact sets (note Deepwood procs the Dendro res decrease on any burst/ES dmg, it doesn’t need to be dendro based so you can give this to units like Thoma or Dheya instead)
   Note: These artifacts are centered around his ES DMG and mostly ignoring his burst, even though his burst does a lot of DMG, it’s not the priority in his kit, even with the 100% uptime it can have, this is mostly supplementary damage for him to keep going while he’s off field and you’re going through your rotations with other characters in your team

   Main stats: ATK %, Dendro %, Crit Rate/DMG Substat priority: Crit Rate > Crit DMG > ATK % > ER
   Note: EM isn’t that important for Kinich, his kit scales off exclusively ATK (if I’ve been reading everything correctly and my ass isn’t blind), and his reaction damage as Burn won’t do nearly as much DMG as his raw DMG from his skill and burst
   Note 2: Though it’s completely up to what artifacts you already have or get, I’d build more Crit Rate > Crit DMG for subs first since he already passively gets Crit DMG, once you reach around the 60-75% Crit rate and 150-200% Crit DMG range you should focus on getting ATK for him for those Crits to scale off

   Weapons:
   Notes before getting into the weapons: Higher base ATK on the character + weapon = higher ATK gained from ATK % artifacts, Kinich has slightly less base ATK (~332%) than Diluc, Ganyu, and Xianyuan (~334%), squished between Raiden/Clorinde (~337%) and Wanderer (~327%) to give an idea of where his base ATK falls into compared to other 5*s

   5*s:
   Note: All 5*s mentioned are assumed to be R1

   Mountain King’s Fang – It’s his signature weapon, it’s of course going to be really good for Kinich, but in short, just for triggering Burn/Burgeon, you can get up to 60% ES/Burst DMG increase, plus you get Crit Rate for it’s substat, which is just always good to have and helps balance his build with the Crit DMG he gets from his ascensions, but it also has a lot of base ATK, which is good for his artifact and ES/Burst scaling.
   Verdict – It’s passive is useless (unless you build a geo character with him for some ungodly reason but it can work), but if you have it, the Crit Rate substat is super good for him and ATK % gained from it is helpful, just not as much base ATK from other 5* options.
   Beacon of the Reed Sea – This is Dheya’s signature. Not a lot of people have this. But it’s good for it’s high Crit Rate (the highest of all of the 5* claymores), but very low base ATK. Its effect giving ATK % helps make up for it a bit after damaging an enemy with your ES, getting even more ATK % when taking DMG (on or off field), this’ll be good for comps with Furina if you want to build a Burgeon team with Kinich.
   Wolf’s Gravestone – Overall almost good for any traditional claymore DPS, low base ATK but makes up for it with it’s ATK% substat, it’s a weapon that you can get without needing to have rate up, and increasing your ATK by a considerable amount.

   4*s:
   Note: All 4*s mentioned are assumed to be R5

   Earthshaker – By far does the most DMG out of all of the 4*s that will be mentioned, a high ES DMG increase is huge for Kinich. It has the highest base ATK of the 4*s tied with Talking Stick. Earthshaker is craftable so it’s 100% f2p for everyone as well, really no reason to not use it for Kinich, balancing Crit Ratio can be hard though.
   Talking Stick – As mentioned in Earthshaker, it’s tied for the highest base ATK of the 4*s, and overall a pretty strong contender itself with Earthshaker, it provides Crit Rate for it’s substat, and increases your ATK % when being affected by pyro, which will happen a lot when using Kinich in a Burn comp or with Bennett. The second part of Talking Stick isn’t as important despite how useful the increased elemental damage can be, it’s very rare in most of Kinich’s team comps where he will be affected by Hydro, Cryo, Electro, or Dendro. But overall, I think Talking Stick is still very strong for Kinich, I just don’t think anyone actually has this thing lol.
   Serpent Spine – Obviously not a f2p weapon, but at R5, it’s an extremely strong weapon. Definitely his best 4* weapon, but it’s not f2p, and if he takes any damage from Burn you lose the DMG increase, it’s pretty much impossible to use this with Burgeon teams.
   Katsuragikiri Nagamasa – You really have no reason to use this, with the soon to be existence of Earthshaker, this is really one of the most mediocre 4*s you can use for Kinich, I’m only putting it here since we can’t get Earthshaker yet, and cause it’s 100% f2p and the ES DMG increase. The ER isn’t really too important but it’s there I guess. Don’t build this please.
   Mailed Flower – This also isn’t great, but it’s 100% f2p if you were here for the event and it provides a nice ATK % increase for triggering your ES or an elemental reaction. All other 4*s aren’t really that good, these last two aren’t really even that good either, but they’re free if you don’t already have Serpent Spine or Talking Stick, or plan on building Earthshaker.

   Team Comps:
   Note: I assume Kinich is able to activate things such as Yelan/Xingqiu/Thoma burst when using his ES since his NAs trigger his attacks similar to Raiden’s burst

   Standard Burn –
   Emilie, Dheya/Thoma/Xiangling, Bennett
   Nahida works in place of Emilie, but Emeilie is stronger in this comp, Dheya has survivability and easy access to 4pc Millenith, Thoma has shields and his burst, Xiangling do big damage. You can give Emilie 4pc Deepwood to better support Kinich or just go for 4pc Reverie.
   Standard Burgeon –
   Xingqiu/Yelan/Furina, Dheya/Thoma, Bennett
   Xiangling’s pyro application might be too strong and force more Vapes and preventing Kinich from making Bloom Cores for Dheya/Thoma to trigger, but this would need more testing to know for sure. You can give the hydro characters 4pc Deepwood if you want them to help reduce the enemy’s dendro res for Kinich.

   This whole thing is a little scuffed, but generally most of this information should help or prompt most of you guys figure out wtf to do for this guy lol.

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   • Just a few things I’d like to note:
     Obsdian should be more damage than reverie. 40% crit rate is equivalent to 80 crit damage, combined with 20% overall damage from the 2pc it’s a lot more value than 18% atk and 50% damage. The other sets only seem viable early on if you simply don’t have a good codex farmed.

     going off of this. weapons with high crit rate such as serpent spine and beacon can become less useful than on paper. If you manage to convert all that bonus crit rate into more crit damage on substats they can be very good, but it can be difficult if you only have ~20 crit rate until you’re overcapped, so keep that in mind for crit rate weapons.
     An additional downside of verdict, is that while it sounds like a potential idea to put a geo support for the extra skill damage, verdict’s passive works in a way that it only gives a dmg buff to your next skill after picking up a crystallize, meaning that you’ll usually end up wasting it on the smaller NA hits instead of the big cannon. (you also might not even be able to pick up the shields due to how kinich moves)

     Lastly, because Kinich moves around so much, it could become difficult to keep bennett’s atk buff up for the full duration. Depending on the enemy positioning you can just wiggle back and forth within the circle, but he can be quite inconsistent against moving enemies.

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     • I do overall agree with this, Obsidian definitely gives more overall value, especially in farming value with the assumption that most DPS Natlan characters will be using the set so it’d be better to invest and farm overall as a future investment into characters, along with being in the same domain as the busted new support artifact coming with it. I do agree that it’s crit value that it provides is overall better for players than a % DMG boost from Reverie.

       And I agree with the weapons as well, I mostly only noted the crit rate weapons as they overall make balancing crit ratios easier and ofc they are completely dependent on what artifacts you have in regards to the weapon’s substats.
       Verdict I’m glad you mentioned because I actually didn’t know it’s effect doesn’t go off until your next ES after picking up crystalize.

       For the final note, I do agree it can be hard to stay in Bennett circle, but overall I think it’s just a skill issue on the player lol (/lh /j)
       Genuinely with the team comps I put up there are up to interpretation. I do agree that Bennett can be hard to use with Kinich so using other supports like Thoma, Xiangling, Xingqiu, even Yao Yao (and more) would be beneficial for him if staying in Bennett circle is problematic against high mobility targets.

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     • Obsidian’s 2pc got reduced to 15% I think but its a small difference

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   • Wait, doesn’t Obsidian need nightsoul points to be consumed?
     Kinich generates them, which could be intentional wording.

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     • He consumes points when using Scalespiker Cannon

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     • When you get max nightsoul stacks on Kinich you can recast his ES to consume them all

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   • I ain’t reading allat

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3. i am building a team for him:

   dehya, nacida Bennet and kinich for burgeon

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   • Doesn’t Burgeon require you having a Hydro character on your team? Unless you’re fighting a Hydro Slime or a similar enemy.

     If I were you, I would swap out Bennett with a Furina or any Hydro flex if you don’t have her, since Kinich is quite mobile and Bennett’s Elemental Burst stays on the ground.

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     • Furina needs a healer tho

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       • Just slaps the ProtoAmber to Nahida and voila. With Dehya’s tanking, you won’t take much dmg.

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4. What is the best artifacts set for him?

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   • I would say the best set would be the new one thats coming out called Obsidian Codex
     BUT since its a new set I would go for Unfinished Reverie as a replacement
     but it all honestly depends on what weapon you give him and other stuff

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     • Reverie is better than Deepwood tho?

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       • 4pc Deepwood is really only good for supportive units, Kinich as a main DPS would prefer an other unit holding 4pc Deepwood and want to use something like 4pc Unfinished Reverie or the 4pc of the new Natlan artifact sets. Though things like 2pc Deepwood with 2pc Golden Troupe would work well for him if you don’t have any good pieces for a 4pc set.

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       • I read for Emilie that Deepwood and Reverie are pretty much the same if there isn’t another Deepwood older, I think it’s the same for Kinich. So if you use Reverie and have a support with Deepwood, it’s even better.

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   • The obsidian codex (I think that’s the name) added in 5.0
     Unfinished Reverie as a day 1/backup set

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   • as it always is, with every new character, and every new domain, the new set is good for the new character
     literally just reading or using the smallest amount of logical thinking would give the many people that ask this very same question for every new character the answer

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5. v2 changes

   Normal Attack: Nightstun Style
   * Nerfed.
   * 1-3 Hit DMG multipliers changed to 195.6%/163.8%/244.1% from 193.5%/173.3%/236.5%
   * Charged Attack DMG multiplier decreased to 95.71%×3 from 116.79%×3.

   P4 – The Swift Envoy (NEW; translated from CN)
   * While in an area with Phlogiston Device(s) within Natlan, interacting with certain harvestables will increase the movement SPD of own party members by 15% for 10s. In certain areas in Natlan Displays the location of nearby resources unique to Natlan on the mini-map.

   C6 – Auspicious Beast’s Shape
   * Buffed.
   * DMG from bounce increased to 700% from 600%.

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   • No real kit buffs at C0 but MOVEMENT SPEED WOOOOO

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6. Which artifacts are best for him?

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   • don’t exist yet

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7. Teams I be thinking of:

   -Burning: Kinich/Emilie/Xiangling/Bennett
   Simply obvious. Could use Thoma/Dehya over Xiangling, she won’t do as much damage here being the Deepwood holder and probably needing to use Fav.

   -Burgeon/Burnvape: Kinich/Baizhu/Furina + Dehya/Thoma/Xiangling
   Baizhu can buff Kinich with Thrilling Tales and that new 4pc Scroll set if someone else carries Deepwood. Dendro resonance also relevant for Burgeon/Vape. If Xiangling is used as the Pyro, becomes more of a forward vape team.

   -Quickburnload: Kinich/Emilie/Fischl/Thoma
   Not as good as previous teams, Quicken doesn’t do much for Kinich/Emilie. More for the novelty.

   -Meltburn: Kinich/Emilie/Thoma + Rosaria/Ayaka/Ganyu
   Also not as good, but less due to the concept and more because we lack a strong off-field Cryo. Maybe Citlali can fill the Cryo slot in the future.

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   • question, does kinich skill count as a normal attack for xingqiu/yelan’s skills? Like how raiden’s burst can trigger their talents? I kinda wanna try kinich, xinqiu, nahida, and dehya team.

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     • Yep it works, proof here: https://streamable.com/a56rw5

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   • I don’t think that Kinich needs Emilie on his burning teams, although she definitely his best Dendro teammate. I could see an alternative Dendro teammate (like Nahida or Collei) also being good for folks who don’t have Emilie.

     This is because I feel that burning will be one of Kinich’s best team compositions.

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     • Yep Emilie is bis but not essential for him to function. You don’t necessarily even need a 2nd Dendro, for the Burning team you could replace Emilie with Furina, changing it to BurnVape.

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     • Other than like Hu Tao needing Xingqiu for hydro app, I believe no character needs another specific one at all (aside of element for reactions), they all just have good or bad options
       Also Kinich doesn’t really care about double dendro so instead you might go with one hydro, one anemo, Zhongli, maybe Sara or even triple pyro, boy got options

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8. To the gut who suggested using electros with Kinich for maximum cannon dmg, spread only adds a flat amount of dmg to attacks so it’s less valuable on large single hits
   it’d be more valuable to use someone who can buff atk

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9. hope kinich yelan/xq/ nahida and thoma/mavuika works well would probably be second coming of alhaitham but burgeon

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   • how often he would use NAs to make Yelan and Thoma work?. His pre-Archon team seems to be Emilie/Nahida/Baizhu, Dehya, Xiangling. Probably Furina will be his best hydro option given that she is the only Hydro Fischl of the game

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     • Addressing this, we’re not sure exactly yet if he is able to proc any of Yelan/Xingqiu/Thoma’s bursts with his ES, but since his NAs are the trigger for his damage, they should work (considering Raiden works with them and her burst converts her NA’s to burst dmg similar to how Kinich’s ES converts his NA dmg into ES dmg).
       Though the situation with Dheya was confusing, her punches from her burst aren’t triggered by her NAs but only sped up by them (she could use her ES to speed it up too, people just use her NAs cause they’re faster), that’s the reason why Dheya didn’t work with the previous 3 units’ burst.

       Tldr; Kinich’s ES should trigger Yelan/Xingqiu/Thoma bursts since the trigger for his attacks are from his NAs, the only thing changing is his damage type.

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10. Extending his Skill when bursting so he doesn’t waste uptime is a mercy I never expected in genshin

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    • Also there’s no mention of his Skill ending when switching as far as I see which means he can Skill > Burst and act as a generic dendro support in quicken/burning/Bloom teams with the new artifact set

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    • Plus it’s not just QOL, he gains Nightsoul points passively. Fire a cannon shot, use burst, and by the time the animation finishes he should have another cannon ready to go. Should make it easier to fit 4 cannon shots per skill window, maybe even a 5th.

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