701 responses to “Chiori”

1. im so tired of this c1 “fix a problem of the character” thing even if she’s not from a region my name alludes to

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   • floppazuma

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   • fontaine has been releasing quite a few “Cmon guys C1 is just so good you cant pass it up” characters

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2. Oh my gosh… Every single new character is getting a billion of doomposts every single time and every single time you praise it afterwards. Hoyoverse is trying hard to make an interesting kit and not to break the balance and you’re telling me this is bad. Remember Xianyun? EVERYONE, I MEAN, LITERALLY EVERYONE told she’s xiao’s dedicated bitch before she released, and now we have a whole new meta branch of teams and no one tells she’s “bad” or “only for xiao”. Chiori may be not as strong as Xianyun, but she’s definitely not useless and has some interesting cases. we can’t talk about it without information like ICD. Or you want this game to develop like HSR where literally any new character is broken and meta shifts once every three months?

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   • I wasn’t interested in Xianyun, so I don’t knows what doomposters were posting, but its was no doubt for me that she’s gonna be good. I mean, she enables new type od gameplay AND she is good healer (just not for my playstyle + I was saving for Chiori). Only downsite I can think about is that you cannot use E mid-air (so she can beat Kazuha in exploration teams… although her massive for fast gliding is probably close enough).

     In Chiori I hate long cool down, dolls being stationary, but mostly that her constelations are so much crash grabs it hurts.
     All of it makes me wanna pull for her weapon first, because it’s good for any DPS.

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   • What’s interesting from Chiori’s kit? Her E is basically Keqing/Alhaitam’s but with 16 secs summon, her Q is basically Kazuha’s but pure geo damage. Her normals are cool but unusable like always. And now rumors said Arlechino kits are basically Childe’s kits copy-pasted but pryo lololol. Seems like Genshin devs are running out of ideas for new characters kits.

     I’ll be real with you, HSR right now is waaay more interesting than Genshin. The limited character feels strong and complemented with beautiful models and animations, so our hard earned jades (primos) don’t feel wasted. Also your last sentence is false because we can still destroy MOC (Spiral Abyss) with old characters.

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     • hsr has good animations but if people could choose to skip them completely in combat like in pokemon they would, so why even bring them up

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     • “her Q is basically Kazuha’s but pure geo damage” goodness dude, it does damage once and that’s it. How is that anything like Kazuha’s? Have you ever read his burst description? You talk about Genshin devs running out of ideas but you can’t even come up with a good comparison for your own doomposting. Go back to HSR.

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       • so basically chiori has it worse? that’s not helping bro

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       • but I kinda got his point tho, Chiori’s Q animation is like copy pasted from Kazuha’s Q.

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       • ur just mad that HSR players got a free unit with absurd dmg, as well as insane synergies for free, keep crying while you defend Genshin’s most pointless release

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         • Nice bait.
           HSR players got a pew-pew brainless unit with high numbers. Nothing more. Ratio’s released version is nothing compared to his beta versions. They just couldn’t balance it properly, so they deleted all the interesting mechanics, but made him free instead. And remember, he’s single target only, in modern HSR there are a lot of targets in EVERY fight.
           And… sorry, but… Who’s in his team? You need to maintain three debuffs on the enemy, and the only unit able to do it without any problems is sw. Topaz is not as essential as SW, but you really want her in his team just because of her giant buff And if we’re talking about bonus attacks, you’d better save your jades, because Aventurine is coming to make this unit and his team even more “f2p friendly!”

         • Ratio’s best team is with 5 stars because Hoyo balanced 4* and 5* better in this game. There is still strong 4* like Tingyun or Pela.

           But you can do MoC with Ratio without SW or Topaz, go Pela or Guinaifen + Tingyun and you are already good to go.

           How was he before changes ? I didn’t looked at him in beta because not interested enough. I looked at his kit when we got him for free.

           And yes you are right, MoC is nearly always about 2 ennemis, or a boss with summons, Destruction eats better than Hunt in MoC.

         • “BALANCED BETTER”?! Let me remind, in “that shitty genshin” there are some top-tier teams with one or even without five stars. In hsr even tingyun or Pela’s pickrate is falling, because their alternatives are too much better in some cases. And it’s a huge pain in ass to play Ratio without SW, I tried. That means that “free” unit is not so free.
           But in most points I agree.
           Ratio in his first version… Well, remember the last MoC where at the start of each turn you applied a ton of debuffs on the enemy? Well, this ton of small debuffs and crit boosts was the Ratio’s passive. He applied them afer dealing damage with certain chance. His kit was hard to understand, but interesting. Sounds much better than a single toss after every skill. If you’re interested, I think you can easily find the archives, I don’t remember properly anyways and can mistake in details.,

     • “Her normals are cool but unusable like always.”

       That’s really become such a pain point anymore. Kirara, Lynette, Furina, Chiori: all recent sword users with fun looking normal attacks, one of which never has a reason to use them, and the other three need C6 to make those attacks do something besides look pretty.

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     • At least, Chiori is the first REAL double-scaling character in the game, you can build her in def and share atk, for
       example. her numbers are not as low as you think, and you can build her as a main dps. But I think the main reason she is here is to make double-geo in some comps meta again. Remember the times when ZL+Albedo was a good pick in almost every pack where you had two avaliable slots? Chiori is better here because she benefits from ATK. Or maybe you can go Chiori+Albedo to make tons of geo damage out of nowhere if this is not spoiling the comp’s concept. Any non-reaction dps can benefit from Chiori, and you can try something like *any independent driver*+gorou+chiori+albedo for a huge geo damage and the deiver can deal with geo shields. This game has a ton of combinations. Even Dehya can be useful in Lyney packs.
       “hsr is more interesting than genshin”
       HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. YOU’RE FUNNY.
       Oh my god! TWO BUTTON PRESSING! THAT’S AN ESSENTIAL OF GAMEPLAY! CAN’T BE BETTER!
       Serioisly, what are you talking about? HSR is ABSOLUTELY broken right now. Enormous balance problems are getting worse and worse with every character. every new character gives DRAMATICALLY more impact than most of previous. Because they are had to amuse players by something better than before. And… seriously? You’re saying the two buttons is more interesting than complicated ARPG battle system with reactions and a billion of strong and working builds (Instead of three or four best and a couple of cheaper ones.). And you’re saying you can destroy MOC with standart chars? After hundreds of tries (because you can be one-shotted with a blink of eye and you can’t control it) and with insane stats – well, maybe. But HAHAHAHAHA, look at the modern pure fiction. 50% DoT damage, DoT buffs, ideal conditions for BS. Abyss is LITERALLY MADE for the newest character. *sniff-sniff* smell of BALANCE, right? HSR just can’t give players anything than gameplay you get bored after a couple weeks, that’s because they are had to makefreaking broken characters to make an illusion of interesting gameplay. The fact that tge new support is twice more effective than previous don’t make you stronger as a player, it makes you a stupid money milking cow, because you’re getting used to it.

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       • Idk what you are smoking but aside from the combat mechanic, which has a lot to do with preferences ( fair tbh ), the rest of your point about HSR can be apply to Genshin as well, minus Genshin treat it playerbase worse ( if you don’t think so then that is cool ). But of course you will not listen and will deny whatever point that goes against you/genshin, giving how ironic your comment is

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         • Maybe something more than “all your takes are trash”?
           “HSR treats players better”
           Oh, my favourite subject. When you people understand the fact tht HSR is much, MUCH, MUCH cheaper in development than genshin, and the donations have the same cost, that is why HYW are raising much more money from HSR than from genshin.
           2.0 in genshin: HUGE NEW LOCATIONS WITH TON OF QUESTS AND NEW MECHANICS.
           2.0 in HSR: 5 new corridors which you can run through and clean in a day and some new quests which are nightmarely boring to play (despite the only properly written) which you can finish in a day too.
           New character in genshin: At least five or six new animations in a full 3d. Look how beautiful are animations in genshin even if you look at them not from the side you’re supposed to. Particles of Neuvilette’s CA you basically can’t see in combat, for example.
           That’s not because HSR devs love you.
           New character in HSR: two 3d animations (atk in world and technique) and three or four little cutscenes you use in the combat.
           All that means they can lose a bit of money to encourage players for it. Outcome will be bigger anyways. Surprise, like any big company, Hoyoverse could never do anything for free. Keeping in sight the fact that HSR is REALLY hungry for your wallet.. ten more pulls change NOTHING.
           And “my takes can be applied to genshin too”?
           Where the freak in genshin you had seen a character like Ruan Mei, who gives almost every stat in the game, imbalanced 50 FREAKING PERCENT break efficency, break effect, insane 64% of damage TEAMWIDE, etc. Kazuha, you say? 40-50% of conditional elemental damage is his ONLY buff despite weapons and artifacts. Swirl is not so easy, you need setup for him, you need to use your burst properly, yo need TO PLAY THE GAME, NOT TO TAP A SINGLE BUTTON TO GIVE A HUGE LIST OF HUGE BUFFS.
           And… Where is the abyss made for character? Well, they really are in genshin too. I agree, some abysses are really easier to play with new character, but! There had never been 50 FREAKING PERCENT OF CERTAIN DAMAGE TYPE! JUST FOR THE FACT YOU’RE PLAYING THIS MODE! 20-30 percent of buff was MAXIMUM. AND I’M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT OTHER BUFFS IN PURE FICTION!

         • Why are you complaining about Pure Fiction? Just throw in a bunch of Blast/AoE units with Rumor activated in one team, and DoT units with Libel in the other team. Or use AoE units + Rumor in both teams, they don’t even need to be geared, just leveled with some defensive stats. The mode’s hella newbie/f2p friendly.

         • You are telling me the game that made billion of $ need more fund to developing the game so they can’t afford to actually humor their playerbase, while a game that is much cheaper can but it doesn’t matter just because you think the gameplay is too boring and cheap for you ? My god …

           Whether HSR devs love players or not, they know how to satisfy them and reel in more players, even if their spend less fund than Genshin, that doesn’t excuse Genshin from the lack of care for their own playerbase. The contents is a fair point, but is it really a good point to defend their lack of care to the players ? It doesn’t cost them anything to give out rewards like HSR, like you said 10 rolls means nothing than why won’t they give it out like HSR updates ?

           Its being bigger and more quests doesn’t necessary make it better or more interesting, I think you can just look around as there are many games that are really big, yet some indie games could still manage to beat them in sale and positive reviews. Because even if the game is just ” 2 buttons smashing “, as long devs know how to delivery the gameplay and keep the player entertain, it is still gonna better than a big game that make you feel dissatisfied overtime ( Starfield I am looking at you )

           I don’t get your last point, Genshin events have those exact ” 50 FREAKING PERCENT OF CERTAIN DAMAGE TYPE! JUST FOR THE FACT YOU’RE PLAYING THIS MODE! ” so why are you making it a problem in HSR ? Because PF is a pernament game mode ? You know that sounds pretty sad that it means Genshin still has no new permanent game mode after 3 years :/ ( unless you think TCG count as one then cool )

         • I forgot to address the Ruan Mei and Kazuha point because it was 1 am when I reply

           From my perspective, they are both busted the same as each other, during their release time, your issue is that Kazuha need rotation and RM just stand there do nothing. While this is a fair point, but both games are still different which still lead back to your preferences of a game

           You said Ruan Mei giving broken stats for just standing there, fair. But since you mention swirl, you should also think about how HSR does not have element reaction, weakness break itself at this point is lowkey an element reaction that is more limited than Genshin. So if you don’t have that same weakness dps against the enemies, RM doesn’t help much but remove the negative damage reduce from not having weakness. Kazuha also has been able to double swirl two element for reaction, effectively allow most of his good team to brute force any kind of enemies except the one that is immue to certain element. So they are technically the same in what they offer to the team, breaking through resistance and allow huge damage boost, while having Crowd control ability. Personally I think Kazuha was far more busted than RM if comparing to their actual release period

           Plus why is Ruan Mei a problem to you ? Since your point is mostly stand there and really do nothing, shouldn’t Furina is an issue for you as well ? They have similar kit minus the crown control part. They just swap the frequency of their Sub dps and damage bonus, RM deal sub dps less but constant buff, Furina constant sub DPS but less constant buff without a healer. While RM has crown control and break efficiency, but get useless against no weakness just as how Furina burst get less useful without a healer.

           I would argue Furina is hella more busted than RM being able to fill Sub DPS, Buffer, Reaction enabler ( Hydro is the most useful element ) and optional a healer, VS a buffer with less sub dps potential without E6 and crown control that only matter if weakness is present. Furina is probably not an imbalance issue for you just because there are Kazuha and Nahida around already, if she was releasing in 1.6 I bet people will praise her the most broken support that powercreep all others

           Again to me, your issue is entirely gameplay preferences, and animation issue ? Fair tbh, I myself don’t really care about animation so I ain’t gonna bother, both get boring real quick so I wouldn’t consider it as an argument point, unless it is an actual combo animation like Devil May Cry

         • 1. They can afford more rewards, but they just don’t need it, because people will play genshin anyways, because he’s still the best gacha exist, no matter what they do, while it’s not a full bullshit, we’ll play it still. HSR is just not a serious game, just an analog of *RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!!!* (of course better and more balanced, but you got the point) for mobiles.

           And you still don’t understand the point. Genshin devs are at least trying to keep the game healthy in terms of f2p balance and new content. And… Sorry, but who said Hsr is giving more primogems then Genshin? The patch with lunar new year now can be easily compared to hsr’s 2.0. You just need to play the freaking game, not to equip Topaz and run towards the nearby chest.

           “Indie games are often better”
           That’s true, but in indie games the most important things are plot and some new game mechanics. Has HSR a good plot? Maybe. One funny joke every couple patches and good quests sometimes. But… Remember Ruan Mei’s quest? The whole lofu quest? I mean, they fail too sometimes. Genshin’s biggest mistake is a huge amount of text where you don’t need it at all, but… Genshin’s plot is globally more interesting! I mean, you know almost everything about HSR universe, who are aeons, what do they do, who are the groups, what do they do, what’s the MC’s target… and I have one question… What the freak is happening happening in Genshin? “sky is false”, teleports are constellations, abyss is leading somewhere, kaenriah gates in sumeru, skirk, celestia, etc. They build up so much intrigue about it so I have some theories, but nevermind.
           And you can’t just say “Starfield” and everyone will agree. Modern big corporations are rotten to the core and rarely do something great (that’s why we’re playing some chinese cringe)

           AYOOOO, MAN, YOU SAID THE POINT THAT ALL YOUTUBERS SAY! Yes, genshin don’t have a proper endgame content. But… do you really need it? You’re already getting a ton of content every couple patches.If you spend on Genshin the same ten minutes a day you spend on HSR, you’ll never finish even the location came out three weeks ago. Maybe that’s because GI is a game, not an auto-battle and roulette simulator? You’re installing a game and *spending money, if you’re desparate* on it to PLAY, not to run the whole version for 6 hours and spend six more on quests.
           And… hahahahaha, read the abyss came out tomorrow. AGAIN, FREAKING 50 PERCENT, but not of dots, they’re of skills and normal attacks. That means hypercarries are taking their revenge, and bonus-attackers and doters are… well, still may be, but… the other ones will be JUST 50% EFFECTIVE. Good balance, now we all see it!
           And… Try to complete the event going right now in Genshin. It’s not so easy. You’re had to pick the teams from the characters they give you and the choice is hard sometimes. but hey! Who needs this “skill”, when you can just press two buttons in a cycle, or, if you’re sure you’re much stronger, JUST ONE ” auto battle” button and go play something even easier.

         • I play both Genshin and HSR day1 and I can say that HSR is far much worse if they’re not giving much jades as they are..

           In HSR every new content are power creep of what came before. here’s AoE preferred content ! here’s dot-preferred pure fiction ! here’s follow-up attack preferred battle event !! if you’re not pulling for meta 5* character you’re sealed not to get max reward. that’s not the case in Genshin since 4* national team still relevant in spiral abyss these days. HSR 4* just aren’t good enough to max stars any MoC or FP yet.

           that lead to the point why HSR has to gives more jades than Genshin primos because if it were being cheap like genshin, f2p/monthly/battle pass player won’t be able to clear any new content. let alone max the reward. and people took it for granted knowing nothing and shit on Genshin.

           Farming ascension mats in HSR is also a problem. while the game has 240 stamina (plus stock-able overflow) which more than Genshin 160, I still find it harder to max out single character (with signature lightcone if possible) as it took more days to (pre)farm than to max out single character in Genshin. this does not include relic/artifact though since both can be heaven or hell depends on player’s luck.

           I don’t hate HSR or anything but man.. I felt more pressure and urge to pull for character FOR POWER more than “for waifu/husbando” in HSR when compare to Genshin. as it is very necessary to clear current and future content. I’m glad they giving much jades in HSR and made a room for f2p/monthly/battle pass player to breathe.. or else it’ll be just -Whale Only- game.

           I’m regret not pulling Argenti/DHIL/Blade and focused more on waifu (at least Jingliu saved my arse shit tons of time) so now I’m struggle+tryhard to max out stars in AoE preferred MoC/FP and that also applied to current dot preferred FP since I don’t have Kafka.. my Blackswan is kinda meh because without Kafka (dot team foundation) overall dot damage are only depend on enemy taking turn.

           imagine amount of free jade I’d lost from future aoe/dot preferred content until those two rerun again :/
           yeah, paywall/powercreep is pretty high in here. but since they gives so much jades then it is what it is.

         • (reply to anon)
           I’m tired of this. I’ll just say Kazuha on release was SOOOO broken that everyone was shouting he’s a 5* sucrose. And if we compare reacrions to break, Ruan is just decreasing the ICD by 33%. Kazuha’s pull, you say? Yes, it helps, but to make it work you need to be in a proper position, and this works only a few seconds. Let’s repeat, ALL hid buttons and buffs require conditions, Ruan’s buttons does not. She needs nothing but a proper build.
           And I’m not even talking about the fact that c6 sucrose’s buffs are comparable to Kazuha’s, and even better if you need EM in priority. While RM’s only analog with her teamwide buff is Asta, with her unstable buff and other problems.
           I’m tired of this anyways. I think I won’t reply anymore. Continue doomposting, man.

       • >At least, Chiori is the first REAL double-scaling character in the game

         Alhaitam? Nahida?

         Also being double-scaling doesn’t make her groundbreaking or anything lol
         It won’t help her much because geo is the worst element in game

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         • Alhaitam and Nahida scale their passives from EM. They ALWAYS build EM no matter the situation. Chiori can build ATK with gorou and Def with atk share.
           And looks like you didn’t read the rest of the comment. RN Itto mono geo is one of the most stable strategies almost always being in a tier. And Chiori+Albedo as an independent sub dd core can be really strong, just like XQ+Yelan.

     • Your take has been bad the moment you compared her to Keqing and Alhaitam, her skill is similar in animation and feel only but the character has absolutely nothing to do with either of them, you saying that only proves you’re taking shit at face value a second after seeing it and not stopping to think about what you saw, this is the problem this community has, think before doomposting

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   • Trashyun is bad so keep crying 🙄

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     • you’re bad at trolling, bro.

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     • “is bad” mhm sure lets ignore all the meta changes and litterally everyone prasing her and has impulsed an ussage rate in less used characters like Diluc…

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     • Xianyunless behavior =3

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   • Doomposters are dumb but you overstate the meta-shifting in hsr
     I’ve mained Blade since his release and he’s still great, Kafka is my other main and she’s currently one of the best DPSes, Jingliu has remained at the top in the several months since she released etc etc
     In that game every character is strong so the standouts are the weak units
     genshin generally releases fairly mediocre units so it’s the broken ones that stand out more

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     • Let’s have a healthy discussion.
       I don’t think you’re right. Blade is still not useless just because there are no any good wind breaker in the game. The worst thing about him is that if you play with Lynx, for example (not luocha or houhou), you still can be oneshot if you play unsafe, calculated unproperly or… game just told the creeps to focus him after you used passive or ultimate. And his scaling is just not as big as other modern DPSes. Overall, Blade had a great kit which fits “destruction concept” at least, but… If we won’t get a massive hp buffer, he’ll be dead when the next wind dps comes out, remember my words.
       Kafka is still great, that’s true. But it’s just because of BS with her insane scaling dots. Overall, Kafka has a very simple kit and just enables other dots. She’ll be meta forever or at least untill they don’t add another all-type dot detonation.
       Jinglu is just broken. This game had a ton of direct damage buffs and lacks of atk buffs, and Jinglu gives herself a whole ton of stats, it makes her a monster. But that doesn’t mean she’ll be meta forever. Yes, she can be meta for long (mostly because of the worst in terms of balance, gameplay, design and story character in the game, Ruan Mei), but once any any support with massive ATK buffs comes out, IL will become better than Jinglu. Or maybe he’ll become in a couple of weeks with another “balanced and fair” support named Sparkle.
       And I don’t agree about the last point. “Every character” can’t be strong. Just because always finds a fish bigger. remember Yanqing? Yeah, he wasn’t meta even on release, because Seele already was better in single target in any case. But now the guy is so dead we won’t even talk about him. I can say what Argenti is stronger than Clara just because his damage source is more stable, even if he is weak (but still the strongest of the element). etc. any game has power ranks. And please, don’t say something like “modern MoC can be cleaned by standart characters”, because this is almost false. You need insane stats and insane luck to do it. And this is getting worse too. Imagine, how would you clean the PF without your premium kafka comp in the first half and broken Jinglu in the second? I’m not even mentioning the fact that BS cleans this a couple times faster than any other character.

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3. I read on Reddit about people who still want to pull her C6
   Well that’s why this game is becoming a shit, and that’s why hoyo keep trolling us.
   If despite the shit they throw people are so smart to eat it and say “yum, again please!” Ofc things will never change.
   Be grateful to thoso choiri guys
   I personally won’t pull her any more

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   • “hoyo keep trolling us” :

     Lyney ? Good
     Neuvillette ? Busted
     Wriothesley ? Fine
     Furina ? Amazing
     Navia ? Great
     Xianyun ? Very good with her A4 passive, good healer otherwise.
     Arlecchino ? Will probably be busted as well

     Even 4*, Lynette is OK, Freminet is OK, Charlotte is a good healer to work with Furina, Chevreuse is good and Kazuha replacement at C6, Gaming is very strong even C0…

     What trolling are you talking about ???

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   • So you’re trying to convince me not to pull for a character I might like because it might send an unwanted message to Mihoyo. Like they care. Suddenly my primogems have become a political tool in a game that lacks endgame, even though I’m but one among millions of players worldwide. I diagnose you with terminalonlinitis.
     Not to mention all the great characters that have come this patch, but one stupid decision and lo and behold, mihoyo is shit, doomers abound. It’s okay to criticize their nerfing (it was unnecessary) and the whalebaiting, just do it reasonably.

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   • Look at this clown, “Ex Chiori main” when she’s not even out yet

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   • whoa no need to cry and moan to the internet about it, kid. Oh my gosh! I forgot, you are one of those normies whose their first gacha game is GI. Their mindset always revolving around “characters that deals low damage = bad characters”, such a bird-brained fellas. And what in the world does it mean “Ex chiori main”? She’s not even out yet.
     “Ofc things will never change” yeah, tell those insane c6 whalers, content creators, and streamers about your great opinion, might be a fun entertainment.

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4. In terms of comparing Chiori and Albedo, in addition to Chiori being more single target focused (I see people in the comments saying the AOE of the actual attack from the Sode is about the same size as a Hyperbloom explosion, which is quite small), apparently Chiori is NOT able to snapshot her elemental skill. This means that Chiori is unable to take advantage of buffs that only apply to the active character (Gorou’s Flat Defense buff from his skill and burst, and Bennett’s attack buff from his burst the main two) when she switches off field, while Albedo’s skill DOES snapshot (so his Skill retains any buffs when he goes off-field).

   When combined with the change in her C2 and nerf to her burst damage, this makes Chiori seem less like a total power-creep and replacement for Albedo and more like a an alternative or side grade to him.

   Basically, Albedo has superior AoE for large mobs (and a elemental mastery bonus to the team) while Chiori single target damage is superior for bosses and duos/trios of large enemies. Since the latter is more promiment in the Abyss than the former, my guess is that Chiori is still going to be the better pick for Geo focused teams, but not to the same extend that I had thought before.

   Still wish Mihoyo made more changes to her kit to make more distinctive from Albedo. As it stands she still seems like the least creative playable character of the Fontaine cycle.

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   • Coping so hard. Just admit that she totally powercrept Albedo. Albedo doesn’t provide much support to begin with and his skill could be destroyed unlike Chiori’s puppet, allowing for less field time just to be put back up to be destroyed again.

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     • I stand by my statement in which Chiori is closer to being a side-grade to Albedo than a total power-creep. Being mostly single target, lacking the ability to snap-shot buffs for her skill, and a long skill cool down are notable downsides compared to Albedo. On the other hand, having higher raw damage (even without those external buffs), having automated damage (not requiring a party member to trigger additional damage), her skill being a construct that can be destroyed are all notable upsides.

       As I stated, Spiral Abyss has gravitated more towards bosses and dual or trios of large enemies, that is going to make Chiori the better overall character, but it doesn’t invalidate the strengths that Albedo does have.

       And of course, both characters are saddled with working best in mono-Geo teams.

       Subject to change based on any additional beta changes made to Chiori and most crucially, her official release in 4.5 when everyone can try her out for themselves and really dig into how her kit works.

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       • Other than what the guy said, I think you should also keep in mind that Albedo has to choose between having a strong skill or a strong burst. Picking burst means your skill is a meme, picking skill means your burst does low damage on top of having to refresh your geo construction every now and then as it gets destroyed, which wastes time. Chiori doesn’t have to worry about any of that. For me, in spite of her current flaws (no snapshot on skill and it doesn’t follow you (though that also depends on how big is her doll’s attack range), huge cooldown on skill, and that unnecessary nerf to her burst), picking Chiori over Albedo is obvious, you don’t even have to think much about it.

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     • albedo has a 4 sec cooldown so it doesn’t matter how squishy his construct is it barely has a cooldown

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5. What we want: a dedicated 5* geo healer so the geo family can finally be completed.

   Hoyo: “Another geo dps it is!”

   🤦🏼‍♀️

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6. chiori is the perfectest example which demonstrate of good it is using private server
   unfortunately we don’t know when we’ll have the updated one, with full fontaine, because the current one has charas to lyney…
   but that’s a reason to say a big fuck you hoyoshit
   you destroy a chara, you want us pulling const., so we have to fight this as well
   time ago it was not so greedy, so shitty the situation. this manipulation is going too far

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7. if sshe won’t be standard, this is another perfect chara to skill
   ideally, nobody should pull her…. but i know that this community is too stupid, and it’s impossible to tell hoyo how shit they are with this behaviour
   ruinining a chara like this must be told
   that banner must go wrong
   but i know it will never happen: that’s why hoyo keep trolling, and the game getting worse
   only here are there we have good units. we had an awesome neuvillette and furina, a very good dehya, but also a meh wrio (c0) and now this… they clearly don’t know how to balance units, it’s a fact
   do you want to pull her? good, do it, and contribute to make the game worse. if every trash they trhow at us is welcome, they’ll keep do it

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   • calling dehya good and wrio c0 meh is just dumb af

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     • Since OP is talking about Fontaine character, I think they wanted to mention Navia instead of Dehya.

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8. Called it.. newer characters are now exist to be a slave to old characters

   Xianyun, Xiao
   Chiori, Itto Team

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   • Man… I won’t deny Chiori being better with Itto than with Navia or Noelle, especially with this disgusting C1 design.

     But Xianyun ? You don’t even have her, don’t spread bullshit !
     I played her in several different teams and she did fine. Even Physical Rosaria with Lisa, Xianyun, Furina is enough to clear abyss. She is absolutely not tied to Xiao only, she enable a lot of characters. You wanna clear abyss with DPS Barbara ? Xianyun allows it.

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     • she is linked to xiao, her usage rate is in 3 xiao compositions and the rest is scattered in less of 2% in meme teams.

       Xianyun’s fourth most used team is with Neuvilette who doesn’t even use his buff but rather her healing to feel comfortable and get rid of Baizhu because some people don’t like it or want to flex him to another comp.

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   • not even better than albedo with itto

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9. come on not only she is still better than albedo. she is becoming a standard character XD. bro albedo havers are dead silent

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   • This comment will probably show after I will see the leak you are refering to, but nonetheless I’ll ask.
     Where did you get that info from?

     Personalny I don’t think I wants her standard, because I’m afraid I won’t get her weapon in time (fucking epitome path making sure that you’ll spent 240 wishes on single piece of weapon you want. I dare you mihoyo to give me 10 pieces of that weapon in 10 pull).

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   • Source ? Leakers says that she won’t be a standard char. How can she be with such a C6 ?

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     • Yesterday there was indeed leaks that Chiori would become standard, but a few hours later it was refuted by the same uncle who wrote it

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   • they havent updated the page with the new changes for her. Her burst will deal less damage, different energy cost and so on.

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   • im gonna use them together lmao

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10. They nerfed her burst damage up to 30% because they shifted her c4 -> c2. This is basically Hoyo telling you “if you want to reposition her dolls like Albedo, please pull c2” lololol.

    Also after reading her c2 again, it looks like the jankiest version of c2 Yae. In order to “improve” her range, Chiori will summon an extra doll every 3 seconds for 10 seconds. It doesn’t tell if the dolls can still be summoned when Chiori is off-field.

    Dunno why they can’t just reduce her E cooldown, or make the dolls move around with her like Furina’s gang instead. They are cooking this character so precise to make sure Chiori fan must pull her c2.

    I feel bad for Chiori fans, they did you so dirty.

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    • C2 dolls are different than normal ones, so it wouldn’t even reposition them.
      They won’t reduce E cooldown, because it would make C6 less appealing .
      I kinda like her kit (in theory, not the numbers, especially cooldown) and animations, but I think I like her weapon more and if they won’t buff her drastically, I will probably pull for the weapon first (hope it won’t get paired with some useless junk (at least for me)), as it’s decent for any DPS (not counting BiS), even without geo teammate.
      But damn I would love to play her main DPS with that dual wielding, but I won’t participate single dollar to that disgusting cash grab.

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    • I’m a Chiori fan and also a geo supremacist, but I’ve never been so conflicted about pulling a geo character until Chiori. She would be PERFECT as a 5* geo healer, but holy hell they made her a sub dps instead. Do Hoyo really think we don’t have enough geo dps? Not to mention her obviously tailor-made (pun intended) whale-bait constellations. Ugh yes I am absolutely fuming right now.

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