108 responses to “New in 5.1”

1. Hey, older player here. I’ll take your complaints at face value. Yes, I’ve definitely desired some characters but building them is a drag, and it has definitely demotivated me from getting the character. However, I have two answers to this problem which enable me to minimize the issues and continue enjoy the game daily.

   First, I give appropriately small focus to the small rewards from endgame combat rewards and a greater focus to non-combat activities like exploring the world and enjoying story/lore. If you skip Floor 12 for a year, you’ll miss out on 2,400 Primogems equaling 15 wishes.If you get 6 stars on floor 12, you’re only missing out on half of that. 15 wishes is not insignificant, but it’s not much either. To put in perspective, F2P players can usually collect a maximum of ~675 wishes per year/nation/major patch (see tinyurl.com/patchpripub).

   Second, I get fewer characters overall but get more constellations and signature weapons.

   Genshin has taken a turn for making strong early constellations and non-generic, strong signature weapons. The days of generic, reusable weapons like PJC and weak constellations like Ganyu’s C1 are over; the game is now in the era of broken early constellations (and broken C6 for 4-stars like Faruzan and Chevreuse).

   So my strategy to maximize enjoyment and minimize arti grind suffering is to skip most characters and go for C1-2 (and sometimes R1) of new characters. This reduces my grind in multiple ways:
   1) I have fewer characters to build.
   2) The characters I build can have weaker artifacts because their constellations are strong enough to overcome the disadvantage.

   Depending on which 4-stars are featured, the extra wishes for C1+ sometimes gives me a greater chance to get a broken C6 4-star, which yes is another character to build, but again it’s easier to skip the artifact grind if their constellations raise the character’s baseline utility. Not every banner gives me such “bonus” 4-stars, as the game also seems to be doing the HSR thing and mostly releasing 5-stars.

   One other related thing you didn’t mention is how Phlogiston mechanics lower the utility of Natlan characters outside of Natlan. (You could make an argument that their utility is RAISED in Natlan, but after a year of enjoying the “benefit” it’ll feel like a nerf when we inevitably take those characters to Snezhnaya). This makes me even less inclined to get Natlan characters and makes me want to just save my Primogems for Snezhnaya.

   What do you think?

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   • 100% agree, although as a recently started player I just accept that I missed years of stuff and don’t even grind artifacts/gear or even do endgame. Probably will just grab archons and skip everyone else which means much less gem income is needed.

     I think you made interesting observations about dupes and weapons. Maybe they crunched the sales data from their newer games and realized that having more smaller whales is more profitable than having a lower number of huge whales. Hence the reduction from 2 fate points to 1 point and shifted focus to early copies bait.

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2. 5.1 Banners (STC)

   Phase 1
   * Xilonen
   * Chiori

   Phase 2
   * Nahida
   * Hu Tao

   No Ganyu and Kokomi in sight. Hang in there, kid.

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   • Future rerun and banner info:
     * From what I’ve gathered from recent Imaginarium Theater and Spiral Abyss leaks, Wriothesley might be getting a rerun. (This is speculative info)
     * 5.3 will have a Chronicled Wish banner. It might be Liyue-themed due to the patch taking place during Lantern Rite.

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     • Placing a chronicle banner in the same patch there is rumor of 2 new 5* characters ? It’s rude. I think I’ll never get Ganyu at this rate xD

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3. at this point i just want the ice archon (and kiana boss or evil paimon whatever ends up happening after all 7 nations are completed)

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4. i’m an old player, and i tell you my experience: don’t skip, a single combo reaction of 2 unique characters can outdone any c6r1 anytime if Hoyo feels like it, like if they make a sudden patch to glaze a character
   the safest bet should be always throw 45 (=1/2*90 pro math right here) on any new banner to get the body of a potential op reaction

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   • Wow pulling 8-16 5*s gets you more power than 2-4??

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   • confirmed this guy tell the truth like me :v is he me :v

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5. Is there any old player skipping Natlan characters because they’re tired of farming?
   I started playing three years ago, and I have tons of builds and hundreds of artifacts, so I rarely have to switch things up… and finally, I feel relief in saying I’m giving up.
   This situation is beyond absurd; it’s detrimental to the gaming experience and the game itself. I know that most people simply don’t care, which is why this system is still in place instead of being met with a huge backlash against this vomiting business.
   People are really too enslaved by this game…
   No, seriously, we can’t tolerate this shit, especially us old players. I just refuse to farm endlessly; I want to use my old builds and play without feeling like it’s a job that I’m not even getting paid for. This situation is making me lose interest in the game entirely.

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   • do yourself a favor and quit instead of whining in a place, where no one cares

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   • If you’re burnt out, just take a break. No need to write out a whole essay to justify it to anyone else.

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     • nah, don’t just take a break, that’s a half-assed advice given by conformists that assume you’d come back just to suffer again because they won’t ever bother to change it.
       straight up take the opportunity and quit, I did it and never been happier, only come back here to laugh at dumb comments lmao
       but for real though, given the fact that they’ve added every single tiny little qol people have been begging for ages, but also doubled down and only made it worse to farm on every new game they release, should tell you anything how much hoyo cares about this issue, especially when said qol barely ever gets into genshin itself

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       • Look, I don’t know who peed in your Wheaties, but it wasn’t me.

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         • it most definitely was you

       • If you quit the game why are you in the comments section of a niche database website? Looking at dumb comments isn’t an excuse. This game is living rent-free in your head

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         • “why are you here” :>attempts to invalidate the reason
           that’s exactly what I meant lmao, you guys are too funny to pass out on

       • The first para was cringe AF and straight up pathetic to read. How can someone type all that with a straight face is beyond me lmfao. Do yourself a favour and stop visiting this site, It’s clearly taking a toll on your mental health.

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   • Noob

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     • is this all you can come up with after being destroyed in the other section that had a similar comment? sad

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       • Sad for you, fun for me hahaha

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         • 🥱

   • I think this guy ran out of Phlogiston

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   • Take a break bro
     or quit if it pisses you off that much

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   • You are projecting extremely hard. Just quit and shut up

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   • Hey, older player here. I’ll take your complaints at face value. Yes, I’ve definitely desired some characters but building them is a drag, and it has definitely demotivated me from getting the character. However, I have two answers to this problem which enable me to minimize the issues and continue enjoy the game daily.

     First, I give appropriately small focus to the small rewards from endgame combat rewards and a greater focus to non-combat activities like exploring the world and enjoying story/lore. If you skip Floor 12 for a year, you’ll miss out on 2,400 Primogems equaling 15 wishes.If you get 6 stars on floor 12, you’re only missing out on half of that. 15 wishes is not insignificant, but it’s not much either. To put in perspective, F2P players can usually collect a maximum of ~675 wishes per year/nation/major patch (see tinyurl.com/patchpripub).

     Second, I get fewer characters overall but get more constellations and signature weapons.

     Genshin has taken a turn for making strong early constellations and non-generic, strong signature weapons. The days of generic, reusable weapons like PJC and weak constellations like Ganyu’s C1 are over; the game is now in the era of broken early constellations (and broken C6 for 4-stars like Faruzan and Chevreuse).

     So my strategy to maximize enjoyment and minimize arti grind suffering is to skip most characters and go for C1-2 (and sometimes R1) of new characters. This reduces my grind in multiple ways:
     1) I have fewer characters to build.
     2) The characters I build can have weaker artifacts because their constellations are strong enough to overcome the disadvantage.

     Depending on which 4-stars are featured, the extra wishes for C1+ sometimes gives me a greater chance to get a broken C6 4-star, which yes is another character to build, but again it’s easier to skip the artifact grind if their constellations raise the character’s baseline utility. Not every banner gives me such “bonus” 4-stars, as the game also seems to be doing the HSR thing and mostly releasing 5-stars.

     One other related thing you didn’t mention is how Phlogiston mechanics lower the utility of Natlan characters outside of Natlan. (You could make an argument that their utility is RAISED in Natlan, but after a year of enjoying the “benefit” it’ll feel like a nerf when we inevitably take those characters to Snezhnaya). This makes me even less inclined to get Natlan characters and makes me want to just save my Primogems for Snezhnaya.

     What do you think?

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     • hey i like this guys’s broken c1 pulling strategy, seems he really know how to play this game :v
       my only debate is you should skip 4 star entirely because it is a gacha game low rarity jackpot would be a total bait :v

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   • this is a strong law and a long-kept law which is not going to be change forever of these gacha games, face it pls. Would you know nobody will give their pulls for new characters when the new ones are no better than old ones, for most of players pull one character according to their strength, not likes

     Few games can hold their volume, that’s the way them live. Think about it, what will happen if you decide to “PLAY GAMES” instead of choosing to be “PLAYED BY GAMES”

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   • a lot of conformists/shills in these comments jeez
     I started on day 1, ‘enjoyed’ it all one more year than you 😉
     other than maybe SOME support units you won’t miss anything by skipping
     I skipped almost all of fontaine except for chevvy and furina and could do all abysses easily, and the reason for skipping is pretty much is what you said
     didnt even went for cons of them, it’s not necessary
     I was only interested in their utility, and the builds were kinda easy to obtain, so good for me
     but yeah farming sucks ass, as much as people want to dismiss your valid complaints in here, and theyre exactly why hoyo doesnt even care, it is what it is

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6. Hot take: If Mavuika turns out to be a DPS instead of a support, would you still pull?

   Can’t wait to see how people will react if that ever happens lol

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   • If Mavuika is a DPS I’m gonna make Khaenri’ah look like a joke

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   • that would be so uncreative, annoying, and would make mualani teams be incomplete until they decide to push out real supports for her
     but hoyo being hoyo, I wouldnt put it past them either

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   • honestly that means we would have a dps archon, finally.

     considering how she is called God of war, it fits.

     either Dps or support it fits her…… for me the only way they could go wrong with this is to make her…

     A DEF SUPPORT LIKE GORO.

     now THAT would fuck up the character and make her useless. like 3% of roster want a def support.

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   • If her animations are good, absolutely

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   • Even better if she is a support we can play as a DPS (even if average results) like I do with Nilou, Xianyun, Dehya and will do with Xilonen =D

     But honestly, another random fire DPS will be boring, even more when we are lacking so much off field pyro DPS. We have Xiangling and …. noone else.

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   • she’ll become DPS at C6 anyway

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7. What would you pick in this situation?

   These new units mixed with old reruns are making me super duper ice scream scooper indecisive. My personal take is kinda different from what I usually see (I’m curious if others feel the same way). I generally prefer to grab constellations for older or less powerful units to make them more competitive and to create more team combos. On the flip side, I don’t go for units that feel incomplete, like Wriothesley—I don’t think I ever will. A unit should be solid at C0 without needing anything extra; if their C1 is good, I might consider it.

   1) Zhongli: He’s totally fine at C0 and doesn’t need C2.
   BUT, I’ve wanted his C2 forever!
   He’s been in my teams since day one, and I always run him with Favonius. I don’t care about the DPS loss because I love his gameplay and petrifying enemies. Plus, his Geo pillars can be tricky to place if there’s already one on the field… so I just want to make things easier. His C2 is super convenient for me; it really changes how I play him—just place pillars and drop meteors!
   2) I could snag Nahida’s constellation too. I really like her and her teams, but she’s already super strong, so that would just make them even better than they already are. I think I’ll pass on her again until those teams start to feel weaker.
   3) Xilonen: She’s solid at C0, but her C2 makes her even more versatile. She’s like my second Zhongli, not in strength but as a constant presence in my teams. (She’ll be meta for years guys, no need to say at c2…)
   4) Chiori: Her C2 makes her WAY better. Geo is pretty rough and we all know it, and yeah, with Xilonen and others, no need to elaborate. Still, her C2 will make her way more flexible instead of just being a bonus character in some teams here and there. Plus, she’s got one of my best builds, so it’ll boost her value a lot. Plus I like afk damage, and that like an universal addition to any weird team if I pick a sub dps.
   5 Of course, Mauvika is coming, and I guess she’ll be a super tough—let’s say impossible—skip. I doubt Hoyoverse will make her easy to ignore, so…

   I skipped the surfing girl and I’ll be skipping the dendro pixels watermelon bomber too. I have every 5-star except for Wriothesley, pyro-bombs loli, and electro pussy-sword from Fontaine.

   If those crap gems cost less… those greedy assholes! we just have to use private servers, they can’t leave those horrifying prices.

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   • don’t pull like that, it wont improve your account
     aim for c6s1 zhongli first, because that is a *complete* unit that the end game is balanced around, they doesn’t balance thing around your math

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     • why should he/she aim for c6r1 zhongli, it does not improve his/her account a single bit?! constellations from old units are just not good and apart from that you can also have c0 units and still do the hardest content.
       since you mention s1 you are probably from star rail what has better sub dps eidolons for supporter since you don’t have to play them as main dps unlike genshin but even there you don’t need eidolons or superimpositions so saying the end game is balanced behind c6 is not true.
       (end game = beating spiral abyss and theater for the highest rewards.)
       so how to pull chars: go for the dps char you like the most/consider to be the best dps and build a team arount it and don’t go for too much other 5* stuff and more like for chars/weapons who you think improve your team the most. probably get the constellation you want or/and the weapon for that dps char.

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       • you probably don’t like my strategy but the way i play this game would be: pulling a single c6r1 top tier to solo endgame, then pull whatever support that keep them alive then put amber or somthing on the remaning slots
         repeat that for 2 team, then do that for the bis support slots, repeat sp 1,2,3
         mihoyo is not a god of f2p, they can suddenly rise up a paywall because they are already the richest chinese, what do they need f2p for bruh
         😀

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         • Living up to your name

     • certified bad pull advisor

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   • I would pick xilonen and mavuika. Not a fan of zhongli, got him years ago and practically didn’t use him. Same opinion with nahida as urs. And cant say anything about chiori cuz i dont like geo characters. Chiori is good in a sense that i like afk damage dealers too and she is very pretty, plus I have a lot of good swords, but I just don’t like her element.
     So in my case i will pick Xilonen (Geo kitty waifu 10/10) And Mavuika (Yeah, who would skip pyro archont?)

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     • >Doesn’t like Geo.
       >Has a lot of good swords.
       >Encourages pulling for Xilonen, who is also Geo Sword.

       judgemental_kangaroo.gif

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   • Are you noob? Definitely. That is what constellation is for. To make the character better or stronger.
     Do I need more than C1 to finish all combat mode in the game? No. I do full stars everything.
     Do you need it? I think yes, cause you noob, you think characters are viable when they are at least at c1 or c2. Why not say c6 already hahaha

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     • is noob the new word you just learnt or what? spamming that everywhere to pretend you’re any better lmfao
       what a pathethic, lame and boring individual you are

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       • You are lame and boring haha

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         • no u

         • 10 year old tier response

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