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Character
| Icon | Name | Rarity | Weapon | Element | Ascension Materials |
 | Xilonen | 5 | sword | geo |       |
 | Mavuika (Trial) | 5 | claymore |       | |
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Weapon
| Icon | Name | Rarity | Atk | Sub | Value | Weapon Affix | Ascension Materials |
 | Sturdy Bone | 4 | 43.73 | Atk% | 6% | Sprint or Alternate Sprint Stamina Consumption decreased by 15%. Additionally, after using Sprint or Alternate Sprint, Normal Attack DMG is increased by |    |
 | Peak Patrol Song | 5 | 44.34 | Def% | 18% | Gain "Ode to Flowers" after Normal or Plunging Attacks hit an opponent: DEF increases by |    |
 | Fruitful Hook | 4 | 43.73 | Atk% | 6% | Increase Plunging Attack CRIT Rate by | |
 | Mountain-Bracing Bolt | 4 | 43.73 | ER% | 6.67% | Decreases Climbing Stamina Consumption by 15% and increases Elemental Skill DMG by |    |
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Skill
| Icon | Name |
 | Normal Attack: Ehecatl's Roar |
 | Yohual's Scratch |
 | 希诺宁-占位 |
 | 希诺宁-占位 |
 | Ocelotlicue Point! |
 | 希诺宁-元素战技-退夜魂态 |
 | 希诺宁-夜魂接力技 |
 | Capture! |
 | 希诺宁空中攻击 |
 | Sabbatical Phrase |
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Achievement
| Icon | Name | Description | Shown | Reward |
 | Has the Moon Come Up? | While the Secret Source Automaton: Configuration Device is charging its "Boltsphere Cannon," break the "Accretion Mechanism" and interrupt the process. | ❌ |  5 |
 | The General in His Labyrinth | Officially meet with the Fatui Harbinger "The Captain." | ❌ | 5 |
 | The Sacrifice Not Offered | Just what is he searching for... | ❌ | 5 |
 | Beyond the Smoke and Mirrors | Complete "Beyond the Smoke and Mirrors." | ❌ | 10 |
 | Before Dawn Breaks | Only by joining together can we find the light. | ❌ | 5 |
 | The Victors Shall Burn Bright | At long last, once more, victory heralded Natlan's path | ❌ | 5 |
 | The Rainbow Destined to Burn | Complete "The Rainbow Destined to Burn." | ❌ | 10 |
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Tutorial
| Icon | Name | Description |
 | Secret Source Automaton: Configuration Device | A machine with terrifying destructive capabilities. When characters enter and maintain the Nightsoul's Blessing state, the Secret Source Automaton: Configuration Device will start progressing through its Adaptive Countermeasures. Once those are complete, the Configuration Device will start preparing its Boltsphere Cannon. During this time, the Configuration Device will start up its Accretion Mechanism to dig into Solid Phlogiston and collect phlogiston. The Accretion Mechanism will generate an energy field. If you wish to destroy the Mechanism and interrupt the charging of the Boltsphere Cannon, |
 | Tenebrous Mimiflora | An Abyssal monster that has descended to this world from the deep, dark depths of a twisted and alien world, the Tenebrous Mimiflora can mimic various phenomena, and can deploy a Void Ward in combat. Some of its attacks can cause stackable Attrition that, after a time, will cause your active character to lose HP. Use |
 | Interreflection of Reality and Dreams | During the "Interreflection of Reality and Dreams" game mode, you have to enter the unique dreamscapes of patients, find the Anomalies in said dreams, and correct them to assist the patients with their mental well-being. |
 | Shadow of the Knight's Blade | During "Shadow of the Knight's Blade," defeat as many enemies as possible You may claim the rewards corresponding to the highest score obtained in the stage. |
 | Feast of Pursuit | You must defeat all opponents within the time limit to complete the challenge. Each challenge will come with unique "Pursuit Providences." Take note of and make use of them to do well in challenges. |
 | TEST合成台·自动选择进度 | After you select the level-up direction you wish to take, the maximum level(s) you can reach using the items in your Inventory will be If the character has a level-up plan, the level(s) within your |
 | Aphid Treasure Trace | Abyss-corroded Phlogiston Aphids will be protected by special Wards that, before they break, will prevent your attacks from Once its Ward is broken, the Aphid will be stunned, and while the Ward is broken, each attack by a character can |
 | Rocking Carriage | While the Flower Carriage is in motion, you can change its route to avoid obstacles. The Flower Carriage will |
 | Rocking Carriage | While the Flower Carriage is in motion, you can change its route to avoid obstacles. The Flower Carriage will |
 | Rocking Carriage | While the Flower Carriage is in motion, you can change its route to avoid obstacles. The Flower Carriage will |
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Monster
| Icon | Name | Grade | Drop |
 | Tenebrous Mimiflora | Regular | |
 | Secret Source Automaton: Configuration Device | Boss |                   |
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 | Tlazolli's Forge |      | |
 | Remnants of the Secret Source |       | |
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Quest
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 | Beneath the Secret Source | After several twists and turns, you finally understand The Captain's plan and goal — to "reconstruct the Ley Lines." This seems to you a risky endeavor. One for which countermeasures must be discussed with Mavuika post-haste... | •Tell Mavuika about The Captain's intentions •Head to the entrance of the "Remnants of the Secret Source" •Defeat the Fatui on patrol nearby •Find a suitable location to open a passageway •Enter the "Remnants of the Secret Source" •Proceed deeper into the "Remnants of the Secret Source" •Try to decipher the mystic arts behind the locked mechanism •Rotate the device to complete the image and open the path •Stop The Captain and Ororon •Stop The Captain and Ororon •Stop The Captain and Ororon •Depart the "Remnants of the Secret Source" •Depart the "Remnants of the Secret Source" | ✅ | 87538100 4 7 |
 | As One We Watch the Setting Sun | You witness the emergence of the fifth hero within the Remnants of the Secret Source, and temporary cooperation with The Captain is established. It seems this matter has drawn to a close, and yet the Abyss presses in. It's not time to relax just yet... | •Return to the Speaker's Chamber for a discussion •Leave the Speaker's Chamber •Return to the Weary Inn and have a short rest •Return to the Weary Inn and have a short rest •Return to the Weary Inn and have a short rest •Return to the Weary Inn and have a short rest •Return to the depths of the "Remnants of the Secret Source" •Speak to the Lord of the Night •Check on the situation outside your room | ✅ | 6252782535 |
 | The Surging Darkness | Abyssal monsters invade Natlan, and the curtain rises on a massive war... | •Leave the Weary Inn and join the battle •Talk to Mavuika and learn more about the battle situation •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Ride the hot air balloon to reinforce the hotspot •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat the monsters before you •Talk to the warrior •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Ride the hot air balloon to reinforce the hotspot •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Talk to the warriors stationed here •Talk to the courier to obtain battlefield intel •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Ride the hot air balloon to reinforce the hotspot •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Try to evacuate the Saurians from the area •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Talk to the warriors stationed here •Talk to the courier to obtain battlefield intel •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Talk to the caravan members •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Talk to Kinich •Rest here for a while •Talk to Kinich •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylons •Talk to Kinich | ✅ | 1125304920059 |
 | Despair Engulfs the Heavens | The true master of the Abyssal power has emerged at last. The earth's corrosion intensifies and monsters are driven mad, the apocalyptic scene becoming a festering seedbed of impotent despair. | •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Search for any nearby survivors •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Look for survivors •Talk to the courier(s) at the Stadium •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Defeat all opponents •Look for survivors •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Follow the voice to find the survivor(s) •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat all opponents •Talk to Paimon •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Reinforce the hotspot •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Talk to the warriors stationed here •Defeat the monsters and destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Talk to the warriors stationed here •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Track the Abyssal contamination down to where it fell •Clear out the monsters present •Search for survivors or any information of value •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Ride the hot air balloon to reinforce the hotspot •Ride the hot air balloon to reinforce the hotspot •Reinforce the hotspot •Clear out the monsters present •Speak to the people in the area •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Check the map and select a hotspot to reinforce •Head to the Children of Echoes's camp •Clear out the monsters present •Evac complete, prepare to fall back •Rendezvous with the team that evacuated first •Head to the Flower-Feather Clan •Defeat the monsters surrounding Chasca and Chuychu •Talk to Chasca •Bring Chuychu back to the Stadium with Chasca •Head to the center of the Stadium to witness the gathering of heroes •Talk to your friends | ✅ | 122553900510 |
 | No One Fights Alone | The six heroes have gathered, and Mavuika awakens the power of the divine throne. The horn is sounded for all Natlan to hear — the Night War is underway! A reckoning has come for the Abyss! | •Go to the place where the Abyss Tumor appeared •Go to the place where the Abyss Tumor appeared •Defeat the monsters and clear the Abyssal Pylons •Board the Spiritway •Use Saurian abilities to head to the next location •Defeat the monsters and clear the Abyssal Pylons •Board the Spiritway •Use Saurian abilities to head to the next location •Defeat the monsters and clear the Abyssal Pylons •Share battlefield intel with your companions •Hold the gate! Repel the final attack! •Hold the gate! Repel the final attack! | ✅ | 7753407536 |
 | A Fuel Named "Fate" | The threat to Natlan remains unresolved, for the Abyssal tide you shattered was but a reflection emerging from the Night Kingdom. Still more crises await — sorrow, solitude, and death... | •Take part in the post-battle banquet •Talk to Mavuika •Talk to Mavuika •Talk to Mavuika •Talk to Mavuika •Keep chatting, or return to your room to rest •Keep chatting, or return to your room to rest •Keep chatting, or return to your room to rest •Keep chatting, or return to your room to rest •Go to the Speaker's Chamber to look for Mavuika •Enter the Speaker's Chamber •Continue "your" journey •Continue "your" journey •Continue "your" journey •Continue "your" journey •Talk to Mavuika •Leave the Speaker's Chamber •Leave the Speaker's Chamber •Leave the Speaker's Chamber | ✅ | 7003031125 136 |
 | All Names are Noble | Your adventures in Natlan continue. After some time has passed... | •Wait until two days later •Go to the Adventurers' Guild •Talk to Katheryne •Go to the Children of Echoes •Talk to Xilonen •Go and meet up with Kinich at the agreed location •Wait until the morning of the day after tomorrow •Talk to Xilonen •Go to the agreed location and wait for Citlali | ✅ | 6002602525 |
 | To Whence the Smoke Drifts | Citlali comes as promised, but she also makes a request: she wants you to help her find her missing grandson, Ororon. You take this commission and set out alongside her. | •Investigate clues •Follow Citlali •Investigate the campsite up ahead •Continue forward and investigate •Split up and investigate •Continue investigating the clues in the area •Check the remaining traces at the scene •Check the remaining traces at the scene •Check the remaining traces at the scene •Go to the campsite that Citlali found •Defeat the opponents •Confirm Ororon's situation •Go to the Speaker's Chamber •Wait until 20:00 the next day •Go to the agreed location •Return to the Stadium •Return to the Stadium •Go to the inn •Follow Citlali to a different spot | ✅ | 10004400048 |
 | The Flickering Light Splits in Twain | The Abyss is invading, and the situation grows dire. Everyone has their mission, and here and now, you decide to first speak to Mavuika about the key information you've obtained... | •Return to the inn to rest •Go outside the inn to have a look •Go to the Stadium •Talk to Mavuika •Go to the Children of Echoes •Go to assist the caravan •Destroy the Abyssal Pylon •Check on the caravan •Return to the Children of Echoes •Return to the Speaker's Chamber •A while ago, out in the wilds... •A while ago, out in the wilds... •Go to the excavation site •Continue investigating the Fatui camp •Talk to Mavuika •Bid farewell to Chasca and Chuychu •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali •Talk to Citlali | ✅ | 12253053900510 |
 | (test)(hide)战场一阶段隐藏逻辑任务$HIDDEN | (test)(hide)战场一阶段隐藏逻辑任务$HIDDEN | ❌ |
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159 responses to “New in 5.1”
did the font change ? something feels off
Which one? This site or in-game? If it’s the site, it looks the same to me
proof that im not crazy
https://imgur.com/hgSJY8I
but then again it could just be a browser thing or a VPN thing im not sure …..
yep it’s a browser thing lol just tested it
fixed
https://i.redd.it/fjkcluzqgcrd1.jpg
I have a question, will there be new saurians in 5.1?
Doesn’t look like there are any. 5.2 should have some though.
it’ll be like the underwater “combat”
1 or 2 more, then never again
hoyo putting any effort into the cool game mechanics already there? nah they’d rather just rehash the “press button to get to x location” again or make something else that’s just as boring and non-interactive
No, because 5.1 doesn’t have a new map. 5.2 probably has because Chasca and Ororon are released in that patch and they probably need some new materials from new areas. (But if 5.2 doesn’t give new Natlan map, then 5.3 at least should give)
hey sauce, it’s back, i’ll pretend i forgot it’s name 😉 it’s so scared of me it’ll never agro me again though 😉
Can you be less vague, Ive heard you talk about this like 10 times and I have no idea who you are referring to. I think a lot of other people are out of the loop too…
what is bro waffling about
don’t ask me what i am talking about because…
even i don’t know what did i talk about :v
least unstable honey hunter user
Hey, older player here. I’ll take your complaints at face value. Yes, I’ve definitely desired some characters but building them is a drag, and it has definitely demotivated me from getting the character. However, I have two answers to this problem which enable me to minimize the issues and continue enjoy the game daily.
First, I give appropriately small focus to the small rewards from endgame combat rewards and a greater focus to non-combat activities like exploring the world and enjoying story/lore. If you skip Floor 12 for a year, you’ll miss out on 2,400 Primogems equaling 15 wishes.If you get 6 stars on floor 12, you’re only missing out on half of that. 15 wishes is not insignificant, but it’s not much either. To put in perspective, F2P players can usually collect a maximum of ~675 wishes per year/nation/major patch (see tinyurl.com/patchpripub).
Second, I get fewer characters overall but get more constellations and signature weapons.
Genshin has taken a turn for making strong early constellations and non-generic, strong signature weapons. The days of generic, reusable weapons like PJC and weak constellations like Ganyu’s C1 are over; the game is now in the era of broken early constellations (and broken C6 for 4-stars like Faruzan and Chevreuse).
So my strategy to maximize enjoyment and minimize arti grind suffering is to skip most characters and go for C1-2 (and sometimes R1) of new characters. This reduces my grind in multiple ways:
1) I have fewer characters to build.
2) The characters I build can have weaker artifacts because their constellations are strong enough to overcome the disadvantage.
Depending on which 4-stars are featured, the extra wishes for C1+ sometimes gives me a greater chance to get a broken C6 4-star, which yes is another character to build, but again it’s easier to skip the artifact grind if their constellations raise the character’s baseline utility. Not every banner gives me such “bonus” 4-stars, as the game also seems to be doing the HSR thing and mostly releasing 5-stars.
One other related thing you didn’t mention is how Phlogiston mechanics lower the utility of Natlan characters outside of Natlan. (You could make an argument that their utility is RAISED in Natlan, but after a year of enjoying the “benefit” it’ll feel like a nerf when we inevitably take those characters to Snezhnaya). This makes me even less inclined to get Natlan characters and makes me want to just save my Primogems for Snezhnaya.
What do you think?
But Mihoyo always hit the spot where it hurts for the players who are agree to your statement. The answer is Imaginarium Theatre. In which we are forced to build more characters and having them in the first place.
I get your point, you can enjoy exploring, limited time event contents, spiral abyss, or even TCG. But missing that one experience from Imaginarium Theatre is a missing experience nontheless. At the end of the day, building more character has its own value.
We got to decide our own standard in grinding artifacts. Top 20% or 15% in akasha.cv is considerably strong, and you can stop grinding for good. Anything more than that is a waste of time and resin i guess.
Change the goal. It’s not about “content” or “experience”, but “enjoyment”.
If the grind was enjoyable and you still like the game at the end, no problem! This post isn’t about that player. It’s about the player who, at the end of the grind, hates the game. I hate to see players pursuing a reward, just for the pursuit itself to ruin the reward.
And if you think that missing out on those endgame combat rewards is too much to bear, just put it into perspective: Imaginarium Theater incentivizes big rosters with very small rewards. A player who gets only Normal Mode misses out on 360 Primogems per month, or 27 wishes per year. This is EXACTLY 4% of the theoretical 675 wishes a F2P player can get per year based on historical data. The player who gets only Hard Mode misses only half of that.
I am only suggesting that players shouldn’t pursue that 4% if, in doing so, they’ll end up having less fun. Personally, I’d spend the time playing another game. Even saving one hour every month means 12 hours per year you could spend on another game you’ll love.
As non-argumentative as your post is, expect to receive smart-aleck replies/insults over this for no substantial reason, like what usually happens on here.
That aside—
Constellations hardly really matter. The game is easy as is. Cons are just an extra slice of cake. Pulling and farming for characters can get exhausting only if you let it. At the end of the day, there are other things to do and other games to play during burn-out phases. Just play however makes things stay fresh to you.
I appreciate you watching out for me! I’ve been around long enough to know that sassy/insulting comments (and enjoying them haha) is half the reason for this site.
You are right, there are lots of players who find the combat easy, so I would discourage them from getting constellations and making their game more boring. But there are two groups of people who can still stand to consider my points above: 1) the people who find combat easy because they spent painful months grinding for rare artifacts, and 2) the lower-skilled players who feel compelled to simultaneously get more characters and to grind for them in order to have a chance at endgame combat. I care about these two groups because I want them to have more fun.
I myself belonged in group 2. “Skill issue” player. Entering Fontaine, I chose to focus my resources on fewer characters and I got only Lyney C0R1, Furina C2, and Neuvillette C1, who together carried me through my first Abyss 12 and most Abyss 12s since then. I skipped many desirable characters but I enjoyed being relatively free from artifact farming, so I had more fun overall.
For all others who don’t have a burnout problem with getting lots of characters or grinding artifacts, none of my comments apply.
100% agree, although as a recently started player I just accept that I missed years of stuff and don’t even grind artifacts/gear or even do endgame. Probably will just grab archons and skip everyone else which means much less gem income is needed.
I think you made interesting observations about dupes and weapons. Maybe they crunched the sales data from their newer games and realized that having more smaller whales is more profitable than having a lower number of huge whales. Hence the reduction from 2 fate points to 1 point and shifted focus to early copies bait.
Excellent approach. I ignored endgame for over 2 years (I could have tried Floor 12 earlier TBH but I don’t feel too bad about it).
Consider a more nuanced strategy with the archon-only thing. While releasing a single bestseller seems to have been Hoyo’s strategy in version 2, I’ve noticed Hoyo trying to sell multiple bestsellers more recently, not only back-to-back but also who work well together. Consider Neuvillette releasing right before Furina: anyone saving just enough for the archon had to make a tough decision in version 4.1, and I bet many felt coerced to get/buy both Neuvillette and Furina.
I expect this excellent strategy will be executed again in version 5. A support/sub-DPS Pyro archon and an on-field DPS with high synergy. Let’s see how it turns out…
Thank you for the tip though tbh it’s probably not going to affect me too much lol. I’m super casual in genshin to the extent my teams are just random mixes of characters I like/have and gear with no set bonuses. Unlike HSR where I’m super serious and have to worry about synergies when pulling and making sure all the pieces fit.
5.1 Banners (STC)
Phase 1
* Xilonen
* Chiori
Phase 2
* Nahida
* Hu Tao
No Ganyu and Kokomi in sight. Hang in there, kid.
Future rerun and banner info:
* From what I’ve gathered from recent Imaginarium Theater and Spiral Abyss leaks, Wriothesley might be getting a rerun. (This is speculative info)
* 5.3 will have a Chronicled Wish banner. It might be Liyue-themed due to the patch taking place during Lantern Rite.
Placing a chronicle banner in the same patch there is rumor of 2 new 5* characters ? It’s rude. I think I’ll never get Ganyu at this rate xD
dw ab it u can skip debuts and pull for Ganyu, debuts tend to get reruns pretty fast. though if Ganyu is gonna be in the chronicled banner I don’t think I’ll ever get her :'(
at this point i just want the ice archon (and kiana boss or evil paimon whatever ends up happening after all 7 nations are completed)
anyone got any banner lineup news?
thoughts about archon lineup?
i’m an old player, and i tell you my experience: don’t skip, a single combo reaction of 2 unique characters can outdone any c6r1 anytime if Hoyo feels like it, like if they make a sudden patch to glaze a character
the safest bet should be always throw 45 (=1/2*90 pro math right here) on any new banner to get the body of a potential op reaction
Wow pulling 8-16 5*s gets you more power than 2-4??
confirmed this guy tell the truth like me :v is he me :v
Is there any old player skipping Natlan characters because they’re tired of farming?
I started playing three years ago, and I have tons of builds and hundreds of artifacts, so I rarely have to switch things up… and finally, I feel relief in saying I’m giving up.
This situation is beyond absurd; it’s detrimental to the gaming experience and the game itself. I know that most people simply don’t care, which is why this system is still in place instead of being met with a huge backlash against this vomiting business.
People are really too enslaved by this game…
No, seriously, we can’t tolerate this shit, especially us old players. I just refuse to farm endlessly; I want to use my old builds and play without feeling like it’s a job that I’m not even getting paid for. This situation is making me lose interest in the game entirely.
do yourself a favor and quit instead of whining in a place, where no one cares
If you’re burnt out, just take a break. No need to write out a whole essay to justify it to anyone else.
XD. Man u need to touch some grass. U telling people to quit the game on GI Database.
nah, don’t just take a break, that’s a half-assed advice given by conformists that assume you’d come back just to suffer again because they won’t ever bother to change it.
straight up take the opportunity and quit, I did it and never been happier, only come back here to laugh at dumb comments lmao
but for real though, given the fact that they’ve added every single tiny little qol people have been begging for ages, but also doubled down and only made it worse to farm on every new game they release, should tell you anything how much hoyo cares about this issue, especially when said qol barely ever gets into genshin itself
Look, I don’t know who peed in your Wheaties, but it wasn’t me.
it most definitely was you
If you quit the game why are you in the comments section of a niche database website? Looking at dumb comments isn’t an excuse. This game is living rent-free in your head
“why are you here” :>attempts to invalidate the reason
that’s exactly what I meant lmao, you guys are too funny to pass out on
The first para was cringe AF and straight up pathetic to read. How can someone type all that with a straight face is beyond me lmfao. Do yourself a favour and stop visiting this site, It’s clearly taking a toll on your mental health.
bold of you to assume i wrote that with a straight face
but yeah sure the one with mental health issues is me and not y’all being toxic because you can’t accept facts 😉😉
it takes one to know one
it really do
lol the way people told op to quit but now suddenly this guy in particular is the bad guy because of the reasons given and actual criticism of hoyo
actual hoyoshill moment
for real, but it’s all pure ad hominem and 0 arguments lmao
they didn’t even mention the elixirs as i was expecting, that just shows how much they fix
also it’s very funny how apparently im not allowed to care for anything related to the game just because i quit playing, suddenly the whole lore/story/music/art/animations/characters/voice acting/sound effects/exploration (or generally just marketing) they like to parade around whenever someone criticizes the game is not that important anymore, the joke tells itself
you can bet your ass that they would never say a thing to any one of all of the artists that make fanart of the game while not actually playing it
Noob
is this all you can come up with after being destroyed in the other section that had a similar comment? sad
Sad for you, fun for me hahaha
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I think this guy ran out of Phlogiston
Take a break bro
or quit if it pisses you off that much
You are projecting extremely hard. Just quit and shut up
Hey, older player here. I’ll take your complaints at face value. Yes, I’ve definitely desired some characters but building them is a drag, and it has definitely demotivated me from getting the character. However, I have two answers to this problem which enable me to minimize the issues and continue enjoy the game daily.
First, I give appropriately small focus to the small rewards from endgame combat rewards and a greater focus to non-combat activities like exploring the world and enjoying story/lore. If you skip Floor 12 for a year, you’ll miss out on 2,400 Primogems equaling 15 wishes.If you get 6 stars on floor 12, you’re only missing out on half of that. 15 wishes is not insignificant, but it’s not much either. To put in perspective, F2P players can usually collect a maximum of ~675 wishes per year/nation/major patch (see tinyurl.com/patchpripub).
Second, I get fewer characters overall but get more constellations and signature weapons.
Genshin has taken a turn for making strong early constellations and non-generic, strong signature weapons. The days of generic, reusable weapons like PJC and weak constellations like Ganyu’s C1 are over; the game is now in the era of broken early constellations (and broken C6 for 4-stars like Faruzan and Chevreuse).
So my strategy to maximize enjoyment and minimize arti grind suffering is to skip most characters and go for C1-2 (and sometimes R1) of new characters. This reduces my grind in multiple ways:
1) I have fewer characters to build.
2) The characters I build can have weaker artifacts because their constellations are strong enough to overcome the disadvantage.
Depending on which 4-stars are featured, the extra wishes for C1+ sometimes gives me a greater chance to get a broken C6 4-star, which yes is another character to build, but again it’s easier to skip the artifact grind if their constellations raise the character’s baseline utility. Not every banner gives me such “bonus” 4-stars, as the game also seems to be doing the HSR thing and mostly releasing 5-stars.
One other related thing you didn’t mention is how Phlogiston mechanics lower the utility of Natlan characters outside of Natlan. (You could make an argument that their utility is RAISED in Natlan, but after a year of enjoying the “benefit” it’ll feel like a nerf when we inevitably take those characters to Snezhnaya). This makes me even less inclined to get Natlan characters and makes me want to just save my Primogems for Snezhnaya.
What do you think?
hey i like this guys’s broken c1 pulling strategy, seems he really know how to play this game :v
my only debate is you should skip 4 star entirely because it is a gacha game low rarity jackpot would be a total bait :v
I definitely don’t mean “pull for 4-stars”. I mean that my C1+ strategy gives a better chance of getting a “bonus” strong character, which might either be good standalone or a boost to the 5-star you’re wishing for.
For example, take Wanderer with a Faruzan banner. You can 99% guarantee C0 Wanderer with 161 wishes, and 99% guarantee C1 Wanderer with 314 wishes. In the 161-wish scenario you only have a 14% chance to get C6 Faruzan, but in the 314-wish scenario you have an 83% chance to get C6 Faruzan.
this is a strong law and a long-kept law which is not going to be change forever of these gacha games, face it pls. Would you know nobody will give their pulls for new characters when the new ones are no better than old ones, for most of players pull one character according to their strength, not likes
Few games can hold their volume, that’s the way them live. Think about it, what will happen if you decide to “PLAY GAMES” instead of choosing to be “PLAYED BY GAMES”
if youre playing a gacha game youre already being played by the game lmao what is that “argument”
a lot of conformists/shills in these comments jeez
I started on day 1, ‘enjoyed’ it all one more year than you 😉
other than maybe SOME support units you won’t miss anything by skipping
I skipped almost all of fontaine except for chevvy and furina and could do all abysses easily, and the reason for skipping is pretty much is what you said
didnt even went for cons of them, it’s not necessary
I was only interested in their utility, and the builds were kinda easy to obtain, so good for me
but yeah farming sucks ass, as much as people want to dismiss your valid complaints in here, and theyre exactly why hoyo doesnt even care, it is what it is
Hot take: If Mavuika turns out to be a DPS instead of a support, would you still pull?
Can’t wait to see how people will react if that ever happens lol
If Mavuika is a DPS I’m gonna make Khaenri’ah look like a joke
that would be so uncreative, annoying, and would make mualani teams be incomplete until they decide to push out real supports for her
but hoyo being hoyo, I wouldnt put it past them either
honestly that means we would have a dps archon, finally.
considering how she is called God of war, it fits.
either Dps or support it fits her…… for me the only way they could go wrong with this is to make her…
A DEF SUPPORT LIKE GORO.
now THAT would fuck up the character and make her useless. like 3% of roster want a def support.
If her animations are good, absolutely
Even better if she is a support we can play as a DPS (even if average results) like I do with Nilou, Xianyun, Dehya and will do with Xilonen =D
But honestly, another random fire DPS will be boring, even more when we are lacking so much off field pyro DPS. We have Xiangling and …. noone else.
she’ll become DPS at C6 anyway
I think she’s gonna be a mix of Bennett and Xiangling. So, broken. Off field pyro sub dps and team wide atk buff
What would you pick in this situation?
These new units mixed with old reruns are making me super duper ice scream scooper indecisive. My personal take is kinda different from what I usually see (I’m curious if others feel the same way). I generally prefer to grab constellations for older or less powerful units to make them more competitive and to create more team combos. On the flip side, I don’t go for units that feel incomplete, like Wriothesley—I don’t think I ever will. A unit should be solid at C0 without needing anything extra; if their C1 is good, I might consider it.
1) Zhongli: He’s totally fine at C0 and doesn’t need C2.
BUT, I’ve wanted his C2 forever!
He’s been in my teams since day one, and I always run him with Favonius. I don’t care about the DPS loss because I love his gameplay and petrifying enemies. Plus, his Geo pillars can be tricky to place if there’s already one on the field… so I just want to make things easier. His C2 is super convenient for me; it really changes how I play him—just place pillars and drop meteors!
2) I could snag Nahida’s constellation too. I really like her and her teams, but she’s already super strong, so that would just make them even better than they already are. I think I’ll pass on her again until those teams start to feel weaker.
3) Xilonen: She’s solid at C0, but her C2 makes her even more versatile. She’s like my second Zhongli, not in strength but as a constant presence in my teams. (She’ll be meta for years guys, no need to say at c2…)
4) Chiori: Her C2 makes her WAY better. Geo is pretty rough and we all know it, and yeah, with Xilonen and others, no need to elaborate. Still, her C2 will make her way more flexible instead of just being a bonus character in some teams here and there. Plus, she’s got one of my best builds, so it’ll boost her value a lot. Plus I like afk damage, and that like an universal addition to any weird team if I pick a sub dps.
5 Of course, Mauvika is coming, and I guess she’ll be a super tough—let’s say impossible—skip. I doubt Hoyoverse will make her easy to ignore, so…
I skipped the surfing girl and I’ll be skipping the dendro pixels watermelon bomber too. I have every 5-star except for Wriothesley, pyro-bombs loli, and electro pussy-sword from Fontaine.
If those crap gems cost less… those greedy assholes! we just have to use private servers, they can’t leave those horrifying prices.
don’t pull like that, it wont improve your account
aim for c6s1 zhongli first, because that is a *complete* unit that the end game is balanced around, they doesn’t balance thing around your math
why should he/she aim for c6r1 zhongli, it does not improve his/her account a single bit?! constellations from old units are just not good and apart from that you can also have c0 units and still do the hardest content.
since you mention s1 you are probably from star rail what has better sub dps eidolons for supporter since you don’t have to play them as main dps unlike genshin but even there you don’t need eidolons or superimpositions so saying the end game is balanced behind c6 is not true.
(end game = beating spiral abyss and theater for the highest rewards.)
so how to pull chars: go for the dps char you like the most/consider to be the best dps and build a team arount it and don’t go for too much other 5* stuff and more like for chars/weapons who you think improve your team the most. probably get the constellation you want or/and the weapon for that dps char.
you probably don’t like my strategy but the way i play this game would be: pulling a single c6r1 top tier to solo endgame, then pull whatever support that keep them alive then put amber or somthing on the remaning slots
repeat that for 2 team, then do that for the bis support slots, repeat sp 1,2,3
mihoyo is not a god of f2p, they can suddenly rise up a paywall because they are already the richest chinese, what do they need f2p for bruh
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I would pick xilonen and mavuika. Not a fan of zhongli, got him years ago and practically didn’t use him. Same opinion with nahida as urs. And cant say anything about chiori cuz i dont like geo characters. Chiori is good in a sense that i like afk damage dealers too and she is very pretty, plus I have a lot of good swords, but I just don’t like her element.
So in my case i will pick Xilonen (Geo kitty waifu 10/10) And Mavuika (Yeah, who would skip pyro archont?)
>Doesn’t like Geo.
>Has a lot of good swords.
>Encourages pulling for Xilonen, who is also Geo Sword.
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Are you noob? Definitely. That is what constellation is for. To make the character better or stronger.
Do I need more than C1 to finish all combat mode in the game? No. I do full stars everything.
Do you need it? I think yes, cause you noob, you think characters are viable when they are at least at c1 or c2. Why not say c6 already hahaha
is noob the new word you just learnt or what? spamming that everywhere to pretend you’re any better lmfao
what a pathethic, lame and boring individual you are
You are lame and boring haha
no u
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