255 responses to “New in 5.0”

1. Which standard 5* are you all choosing? Haven’t got Jean so will be selecting her personally (started playing very late).

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   • Jean is the best pick if u don’t have her yes cuz of that one abyss floor with the 3 abyss heralds 2 cryo 1 hydro u pretty much had to have jean to do that one.

     the other good pick is tighnari cuz he does good dmg and it’s rare type of dmg cuz the 4* dendros suc at dmg or just healers + fun to play and going for his cons is also good if u already have all the standards or just hate them.

     next is keqing cuz she’s fun to play ( based ) she does more dmg than diluc now ( probably wrong idk it’s been so long since last i checked ).

     mona : more hydro we all need more wet freeze things or just screen shot dmg ( not really that good but im looking at the other options ).

     diluc : he started lamenting lately, he’s pretty good at it ( credit where credit is due ).

     qiqi : better than dehya , really good in coop arlecchino weekly boss fight, flex on them noobs with the sick red glowy katana.

     dehya : u can say u have dehya ( didn’t want her in my account she came any ways ).

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     • Thank you, looks like my intuition about Jean was right. Got Keqing already from losing 50/50. Don’t really like Tighnari’s design and I built Kirara already as a budget shielder. So it’s a pretty easy choice.

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     • i kinda disagree on jean, bennett also works as a cleanser, or you could just, not get hit

       all 3 dps are good if you dont already have another of their same element/teams, but if you do then not all that much

       imo mona could be one of the best choices, alongside the dps, she’s budget furina and a free hydro instead of limited which is much appreciated (our 4* options are xq, barbruh and candace only if c6, yeah its not good), might allow some units to be on other teams, she’s often underrated for double hydro hu tao (mona buff can have decent enough uptime for frontloading a ton of damage), still goated on freeze with omen extension (although spill issued players say kokomi better when freeze has so much crowd control that its difficult to get hit) and can even be a good plunge dps with xianyun

       id say the order could something like this (ordered within tiers)
       tighnari-keqing-diluc (theyd be second tier if you already have their archetypes covered)
       mona-jean
       qiqi
       dehya

       but anyways top priority should be picking what you don’t have unless it’s qiqi or dehya lmao

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       • it’s not about the cleanse with jean it’s about breaking cryo abyss heralds’s shields very very fast with the sunfire

         tighnari ranks higher just in case there’s a dendro theater and there aren’t that many options for good dendro dmg & most players have many pyro and electro units by now , but i guess u can make do if theater lets u use nilou or emilie

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         • honey can we have reply notifications? I need to educate the ignorant

         • it’s fast, but not necessary, and nothing that a mono pyro team couldn’t do

         • idk about u but it felt very necessary for that one abyss floor , maybe if i had klee it wouldn’t be idk but u weren’t getting past it with a half assed builds if u go without it that’s for sure

         • @berbash i’m not sure which of all abysses you talking about but i’ve easily 36* since pre-inazuma patches without sunfire all of them, because i dont even have jean
           i also dont really do mono pyro coz i dont have many pyro units, my only pyro team is hu tao double hydro
           it’s 100% possible to clear without sunfire and not necessary at all
           it might make things a little easier tho

         • https://youtu.be/5HBjufDHJAA?t=737

         • that’s at the end of the mono pyro section, who would’ve thought
           I cleared that abyss with hu tao burgeon, pretty easy on that side from what I remember, dendro takes care of hydro shields and hu tao takes care of cryo ones
           the hydro there just serve as dps enablers pre-shield or post-shield for the mages, and then worked to remove the baptist pyro shield
           the actually hard part imo was consecrated beasts on first half chamber 3, those mfs could break through zhongli’s shield even with damage reduction from other units
           it do seem pretty fast against the shields tho, but i still believe sunfire is unnecessary, especially since the dps when there’s no shield doesn’t seem all that great, so it balances out in the end

         • move along Ignoramus you’ve already been enlightened

         • move along as well mr.pretentious
           it’s not necessary to answer every comment just like sunfire is not necessary
           im out

         • “ignoramus” lol bro ran out of arguments XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

         • well arguing about if sunfire was necessary or not felt kinda pointless cuz it depends on the account ( if u have a highly invested pyro carry or not ), so i just toled u why i think jean deserves the #1 spot in that list is all

           any body liked my pretentious roleplay ? XD … ok yea it wasn’t that good shut up i’ll work on it (maybe)

   • Personally i pick dehya for me, since it bring her from C1 to C2.
     Jean is a good pick arguably the best choice from standard banner IMO.

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2. they like to introduce crap stuff or, the best scenario, unnecessary
   so take this hoyo: it looks very tedious, and not helpful in any way to seasoned players. Sounds perfect for you right? do it then: instead of leaving the fucking “level” to enemies, which doesn’t mean a freacking shit, try to make a menu appear where you say HP, ATK, DEF. I don’t wonder why nothinig has changed, because it’s an obvious answer. But it’s one of the most absurd things to me in the game, for how stupid and nonsense is.
   Lev 100 has a wide range of stats amongs enemies, so what does the absolute hell it even mean? they should just remove it and leave the rest instead.
   Absolute cinema is related to this website, where you can find these data I’m talking about. Without this, you’ll never know it. And it’s beyond any logic having a game where you’re supposed to fight enemies without any clue about their stats.

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   • the fuck youre yapping on? take your meds.

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   • MEDS NOW

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   • from what I understand, I kinda agree with OP, we should be able to check enemy stats in-game
     hoyo probably fear 3 million hp would discourage players tho, and they may or may not be right
     I do disagree with the removal of levels, that’s just stupid, it serves as a quick assessment for those who don’t want to check in-detail the other stats of enemies

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3. does anyone else find it really dumb that exploration/movement mechanics are tied to characters?
   I mean they’re not bad but at the same time if you want the QoL you’d have to pull for characters you might not enjoy that much outside of overworld
   It just feels like yet another scummy way of hoyo pretending to address the game’s issues but with a caveat to still fuck players over, just like the “loadouts” or the map marker capacity that only get +50 every once in a while.

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   • Nah, I’ve never once felt compelled to pull a character for their movement, I just think it’s a nice bonus when they have it
     The real movement QoL is the Sumeru ziplines I think I would’ve quit exploring without them

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     • maybe not you, but someone will
       there were a lot of people talking about it in xianyun and wanderer’s release for example

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       • they also use this argument to batchest yelan, sayu, kazuha, venti, zhongli, geo mc, etc

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   • Nope. It gives them more value, higher satisfaction on pulling them. What is dumb are all characters has no use outside of combat, especially if its an open world game. An example is If you ever played an Ys games youll know what im talking about.

     And i think you’re thinking about the new natlan characters. We will get saurians that can do the same as those three but only limited to natlan map.

     Other maps? After liyue, they gave region unique traversal system to help us explore it.
     Inazuma patch introduce boats, travel gates and those lightning orbs that can help us reach high places.
     Sumeru, leaf sigils, trampoline shrooms.
     Fontaine, intro diving which is an omnidirectional exploration. Theres also the water rings to help us reach high places cos there’s rewards at the top.

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     • it “gives” them more value
       at the expense of the value of other characters, for the reason you yourself said
       the only thing wuwa has over genshin is that movement mechanics are something every character already has from base, not just a few skills in their kit
       and not every characters needs a skill that helps them in overworld, i’d say none should need a skill if they gave us something like the saurians or a mount or whatever in previous versions, that is something that’s been asked ever since 1.0

       and no, the other traversal systems don’t really count, they’re only in places they choose to put them for puzzles or whatever, and are extremely boring and devoid of any real mechanic, most are basically “you get in place/press a button to go from point a to point b, rinse and repeat”
       boats only get used once in 99.9% of the places until you get to land and unlock a teleporter, the only one that doesn’t is that boat that you take for the fishing place in inazuma for the catch
       trampolines are not generally used to help in traversal because they aren’t generally positioned in places that’d help, nor is movement after bouncing any good, it’s mostly puzzles to get things that they chose to place higher and such, several mountain ranges in sumeru without them, and they don’t exist at all in the desert
       fontaine diving is something that’s also been asked to be put on the rivers of any other region, it’s aight, nothing out of this world tho, it’s just a slightly easier way to move in all 3 dimensions, but the map design doesn’t really support it as much as it’s the same forest and ruins they always do, just that the forest are now algae, and dont forget that they didnt bother to allow any non fontainian to do the dolphin jump.

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       • I think you’re just refusing gi stable popularity despite the backslashed of whatever the entitled kids and manchild trying to impose.

         You refuse to accept everything it can offer, always finding loopholes, creating drama or whatever youre entitled ass agenda is. Why? cos of wuwa? Its a lazy developed game. A pgr with a generic open world. no world interaction, no unique combat mechanics, damage from it are just colored numbers. And just like that guy said. All of the characters are useless outside of combat, a total fan service. Even star rail characters has some uses outside of combat and its not even open world. Thats why ZZZ beat it on being the most innovative new mobile game. it has nothing new to offer. Its popularity is carried by genshin and its entitled haters. Good graphics? Its uses UE. We got a problem if it doesnt look like that.
         Freebies? More like compesation trying to find a way to keeps its players, free limited? I kept seeing there’s no content on the current version. Guess wuwa players are not even interested in the game and just want freebies. Cant say the same on gi cos still has million of players despite “lack of freebies” cos its really a great free game.

         Now the question is why you still here or keeping tabs on gi updates? Are you a pathetic trying to matter, looking for validation and thinks theyre better than everyone? Yep, that looks right.

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         • i literally said “the only thing wuwa has over genshin”
           wuwa is shit, but the mobility is not
           are you retard?

         • there’s a little bit of comment in your ad hominem
           certified hoyoshill moment

     • tell me the last time you enjoyed climbing tenshukaku without the likes of geo mc, kazuha, etc
       oh so cool that the gates and the lightning orbs are so helpful to get up ther- oh wait there’s none, and if there was it’d probably look like shiet and break immersion just like it does on every place they’re in
       all those mechanics are ass and only serve as bandaid fixes lmfao
       even with artifact, ore mining or elite routes those things barely see an use after completing a region, they’re so poorly placed that are rarely useful

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4. Ever feel so useless and pathetic in life? remember, genshin haters still exist, they’re devoid of common sense and critical thinking so you’re actually doing better.

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   • what is a “hater” according to you?
     go on, show us your own common sense and critical thinking, if it exists

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5. it’s almost amusing they didn’t mention teapot at all; and this, since ages. It’s like forgotten.
   And it’s a good reason to do it, because its retard load limit is enough to make it sink into their trash features box. Idk who’s still interested in it, but I guess some hopeless person, because there’s no reason to decorate something with a load limit. I’ve just tried after ages, and again, I reached a point where either I leave stupid blank areas or I decide what to leave.
   This is so so so retard I really can’t take it anymore. If they want to manipulate us so badly, I’m not their slave.
   stupid retard idiots and you’re trash limit of this ass
   (maybe in other 4 years they’ll realize they can remove it, or if they really love to keep limits increase it to the triple)

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   • If they did remove the load limit, people would make teapots with tons of items to the point of crashing their device. Load limits exist to improve performance so that the game runs smoothly.

     Source: am good with computer

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     • it’s their problem , not mine

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     • You’re right but I also agree load limit is too small
       I’d like to see it increased not removed

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   • Hi. Teapot will get QoL when enough characters from Natlan are added. (Probably 5.3)

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6. now they understood these little things for 5.0, they’re a step ahead to understand they also have to rework old 5* crap constellation (albedo-xiao are mandatory)
   maybe after the last region….

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   • Old characters don’t get retroactive changes unless its a bugfix or a “bugfix”, constellations have progressed and those old ones are a relic of old Genshin

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     • Sure they don’t get them, because of their business model, so instead of updating the old ones they come out with the brand new character that does exactly the same and/or plays very similarly on the same teams but is better.

       See Navia – Ningguang
       Chiori – Albedo
       Clorinde – Keqing
       Xianyun – Jean
       Lyney – Klee
       Kokomi – Barbara
       a very long etcetera

       They *COULD* update them, but they don’t want to.

       And don’t believe when people say it’s illegal or sum shiet, they’re talking out of their ass, not only there is not a single law related to updating gacha characters in any country, if you read the terms and conditions they state that you agree for them to do anything they want with the characters and that you agree they have no real monetary value the same as primogems (and that’s why we do like 7 different steps of currency conversion too, to make things even more difficult legally in cases of overspending and such)
       Sure people might try to sue and everything when they do things like Neuvi “nerfs” (balance change that came out a little too late and just when another hydro dps is about to be release, one of the stupidest hoyo moves ever), but they stand on pretty much no legal grounds to actually proceed on with it or even win the case, although they may be lucky and a decent judge and/or jury might be in their favour, because fuck the interests of megacorps.
       They are so legally shielded that Hoyo only “listens” to these complaints and legal actions for their public image, nothing more, nothing less.
       Just like recently Disney pulled a “you can’t sue us because you agreed to ToS on your free trial of Disney+ on 2019” to a man whose wife died in a Disney-owned place, Hoyo technically could also pull that one or a similar one some day, but they’re smart enough to realize that’d be incredibly bad for their reputation (not enough to do the Neuv balance on time tho)

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       • I really don’t feel like arguing about the whole updating thing but claiming powercreep here doesn’t make sense
         There has been one instance in Genshin of direct powercreep of a limited 5* and that’s Chiori to Albedo, every other character who has been powercrept was 4* or standard 5*

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         • today i learned klee was standard

           is it really acceptable because “no limited 5*”?

           btw
           arle > yoi
           neuv > ayayo
           probably someone else but like the other guy i aint even bothering, so etcetera

   • As long as they’re not some geo dragon that pretends to be some cashless dude, i think that’s impossible

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7. These newcomer for real came here to complain,you must be at a low point of life to get here just for that. I was trying to read Natlan glider lore but holy,this amount of people… , Capitano not having buff model don’t matter,you are still playing a character with their clothes being their body, imagine being as weird as you to always look at Capitano “skinny” body in gameplay,please don’t tell me you actually play Wrio and always look at his body? You know, mihoyo is actually smart for that,they don’t need to make Capitano hitbox bigger and add an extra storage but still give people illusion he is buff,only immature people think it a problem,again you don’t look at your character body every second when killing hilichurl . artifact editor is still good even if you don’t always land on crit,like who care ?it’s a goblet with elemental stat you will never get one until a few month or weeks, my Clorinde with low crit goblet still hit like a truck, and don’t be selfish,5 star selector are good for new and old player that doesn’t have the 5s they want,I know a few who doesn’t have Mona or Tighnari. If you are not happy about it,whine on Tectone video not on some leak website

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   • is there a lore reason for your brain damage?

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8. Some good changes and some just don’t make sense (Elixir stuff needs a fully levelled artifact), but this is still certainly a step in the right direction. Continue making things we, the players, want, and you’ll earn more. We are not done yet.

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9. its been so long since i quit this game, 2 years i guess? tell me what’s good now in it for me to comeback, of course i won’t comeback for real but i want to know did this game really improve, last time it was too childish for me and their head is just giant, atleast hsr models look more like human

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   • deadass, it fantasy and anime game,neither of the game character look human in anyway, what kind of human has eyes like them?

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     • last time i was an addict, i had 4 accs all with zhongli, but then they release that brown boss that resist 60% earth, thankfully with multi accs i knew what normal players did’t know at that time, is that their random coop was dying really fast, i hosted all 4 accs at monday and had to wait really long for coop, but usually when i get a player to join they are either newbies that deal zero dps or trolls that brought ningguang and c0 zhongli, one time i had a troll insist that he can solo the boss with zhongli and stay inside the domain to force me log out.
       so i knew the game turned to full single player and i will have to solo raid boss EVERY WEEK, bro i chickened out and never came back since then 😀

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   • An artstyle is an artstyle, I also prefer HSR’s
     Just say you don’t like it instead of calling it childish, I’ve seen bigger heads and bigger eyes in many American “adult” cartoons (most of those are dogshit tho)

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     • i did draw a lot when i was a kid so i *do* know artists don’t usually like giant heads, the heads are probably David’s idea of inflating them to look appeal to childrens, if you look closely you will see it doesn’t really fit with their body size, Hoyo artist’s original styles are of Hi3 and Hsr, yes they are exactly same style

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       • Oh god not David
         Big heads and eyes are more cute elements and considering this game was made by a company with the slogan “tech otakus save the world” you can tell they love cute anime girls
         I don’t mind as long as they keep releasing short men

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         • I’m sure some of their employees might but it’s not just that they “love cute anime girls”
           Don’t forget that when DaWei presented his business idea to investors many years ago before publishing even a single game he made fun of the target audience and laughed about them alongside the investors
           He talked about he’d abuse lonely people out of their money, with the power of idolized anime characters
           These people aren’t saints, whenever possible, don’t give them the benefit of the doubt

           But yeah we all play because we do, in fact, love cute anime girls AND boys. Their manipulation tactics are marketing have worked on us, be aware of that.

10. Guts remember, Hoyoverse is your sworn enemy and will never make any positive change to the game
    Fate points reduced? Weapon banner pity is now 500
    Artifact elixir? Guaranteed to never roll into crit
    Free 5* selector? Contaminated with AIDS

    Please do not enjoy this game you have sunk hundreds of hours into, instead mindlessly slave away while expressing your hatred and accusing happy players of having Stockholm syndrome while you refuse to quit playing this game which you clearly despise

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    • Look at you with Kinich picture profile…

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      • Yes Kinich is a handsome fellow ^^

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        • more twinks for me to collect!

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    • hey buddy dont take it too personal
      while I agree the changes are positive I’ve also seen a lot of valid criticism of certain things

      I agree with the guy that complained about the standard character bugs, also the selector only exists because they already made sure to powercreep every standard character aside from dehya, who is godawful (dont hold your breath tho, pyro archon incoming)

      I do like the new elixir but I also really dont like how to get elixirs we need to spend leveled artifacts instead of just + 0 ones, that’s gonna be a god awful mora sink right there and as f2p we kinda don’t get enough mora, especially since they’re removing the weekly bounties

      and I think mostly everyone agrees fate points change is for the better, I guess the only complaints could be that it’s still a 37.5% chance of getting the weapon you want the first time and that points still don’t save for the next banner, but meh, playing gachas is like signing up to be scammed anyways, just sometimes one scam is worse than another scam, but they’re all scams anyways, so I don’t really care about those two things

      in the end, this doesn’t change the fact that the bad parts about the game are all tied to monetization and character progression, but the rest of the game is quite good, I think people are allowed to enjoy the good parts while also criticizing the bad ones, I doubt they “clearly despise” the whole game

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      • Dw I don’t take it personally I find it hilarious
        I don’t think these changes suddenly make Genshin a perfect game but the lengths some people go to doompost everything genuinely astounds me when things like the 50/50 change or fate points reduction are completely beneficial to us
        But I mean if the standard selector actually does give me AIDS then well I’ll write a formal apology to every doomposter on reddit

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      • It’s been years since the last time I did a mora ley line and as a f2p I have 90M+ mora, events and exploration give you more than enough, by far

        the only sink is leveling up artifacts until 12 or 16 and use it as a fodder after it rolled in the wrong substats, repeating this process again and again is the real sink of mora and 5* artifacts (resin). It would be a joke if you could use level 0 artifacts

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        • my bad I didn’t specify that I upgrade several characters and the mora is definitely not enough without doing leylines
          you probably have 90M+ because you don’t upgrade as many characters as I do I guess
          talents cost quite a lot

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          • I’m constantly building someone so mora is the one resource I’m short on too
            I can go from 10 million to 0 very quickly, spent 8 million in one day earlier this patch

          • @sauce kun
            too real
            I use the seelie.me planner, and apparently I need 80M+ mora to finish upgrading what I have left to upgrade
            It’s really an issue for f2p, especially for someone like me coming from other gacha games where they actually gave enough mats to max out everything
            genshin tends to be very stingy just so they get people buying battlepass

      • Dehya wasn’t powercrept because she came out being so bad that she was already powercrept by previous units lmao
        All her cons and weapon improve her damage, at c6r1 she performs on par with c0r0 limited charas (she really is that bad)
        Her “intended” support role that never gets improved past c0 and is only on one talent is also so bad that Thoma, Tankfei, Shieldyan or just Benny overshadow her easily, and now there’s Chev too.

        And yeah when you think about it all others were powercrept in 3.x or 4.x
        Tighnari? Al’haitham performs better in all of his teams + more easily having access to hyperbloom subdps
        Qiqi? Charlotte actually has energy generation, elemental application and her skill has a lot more range to trigger ToTM
        Keqing? Clorinde is her on steroids
        Jean? Why use her when Xianyun exists and even buffs and enables an entire archetype. Her only use is cope at c4 for Wanderer and cope sunfire teams, but there’s a reason why none of those are meta
        Diluc? Oh cool he got a buff with Xianyun- Oh wait they released gaming the same patch, and then Arlecchino
        Mona? Furina is just a Mona with actual uptime

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        • ☝️🤓 the sunfire breaks cryo abyss heralds’s shields the fastest ☝️🤓

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          • and it’s still not meta, insane

    • AIDS is a small price to pay for C2 Tighnari😈

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      • C3 for me ^^
        I’ll have him C6 in 4 years at this rate 😀

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