1,898 responses to “Alhaitham”

1. I probably will use him with Ayaka Sword.

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2. why are people so mad this is a GAME… find a hobby

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   • Agreed. They have too much time on their hands lol

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3. Wanna hear a joke?

   Comparing an Archon to a non Archon character

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   • Kazuha and Venti

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     • Buffer Archon and Vacuum Archon , they’re both Archons

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   • Bennett and Zhongli.

     Alhaitham and Nahida.

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     • Yeah, Nahida soloing Alhaitham in every category, prove his point, troll

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   • literally benny + suc + xing + xiang can clear the game without a archon and are usually required for archons to be good , Raiden would be a mid asf unit if she didn’t have 3 of those chars in her team and zhongli can literally only perform if his team does the work because he’s just a shield bot , in fact most of the teams is in don’t us him as much anymore or aren’t meta breaking , venti just got hard outclassed by Kazuha.

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     • Imagine opening your mouth to talk about meta, and saying that anybody outclasses Venti.

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       • No, they didn’t say “anybody”. And they weren’t talking particularly about meta. They specifically said Kazuha outclasses Venti. In terms of buffing damage (which is what speedrunners prioritize above all else), Kazuha is better for that role. But for crowd control, convenience, and even battery, Venti does a better job.

         Meta and speedrunning are very different strategies.

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         • Imagine opening your mouth to talk about speedrunning, and thinking anybody is better at speedrunning than Venti.

         • You sure like to imagine a lot of things.
           And I didn’t “open my mouth”. I typed.

           Like any unit, Venti excels in certain areas, but he is not the best choice for every single scenario – and that includes speedruns. And against enemies that can’t be CC’d, his effectiveness drops off.

4. Al Haitham multipliers are literally all higher than Nahida’s.

   The NAs are all slightly higher.

   Al Haitham’s mirror damage vs Nahida Tri-Karma Purification DMG

   3-Mirror Projection Attack DMG
   (121% ATK+241.9% Elemental Mastery)×3 every 1.6 seconds vs 185.8% ATK+371.5% Elemental Mastery every 2.5 seconds

   Al Haitham = 725.7& Elemental Mastery scaling on 3 mirrors and it can be maintained for 12 seconds with correct rotation def beats out on Nahida’s 371.5% Elemental Mastery scaling TKP attack.

   Nahida burst is a buff depending on the elements on the team, Al Haitham’s burst does damage and generates mirrors, not exactly comparable

   Nahida A1 transfers maximum of 250 EM to the active character, Al Haitham’s is gaining 1 mirror on PA or CA every 12 seconds (Nahida wins this one heavily)

   Nahida A2 gives herself crit based on her EM, Al Haitham’s increases his mirror damage and burst damage based on his EM

   The conclusion here is basically the obvious Al Haitham is much better on field while Nahida can do everything off field. Will not be surprised if Baizhu or Kaveh will improve Al Haitham teams as Hoyo can observe the Al Haitham teams performances and release Baizhu/Kaveh for Haitham. There is still potential for Baizhu/Kaveh to be dendro versions of units like Gorou, XQ, Beidou, or Kokomi in which you would use Baizhu in any bloom/burgeon/Hyperbloom team with Nahida and with Kaveh and Al Haitham specializing in spread team.

   The one bad thing about Nahida is that you need to swap back to her to reapply her mark which can ruin rotations.

   If Kaveh is dendro XQ, Beidou or Gorou that would fit Al Haitham much better than Nahida. If he is Dendro beidou/XQ, that can also help with Cyno’s issue as well since Nahida’s skill goes away after Cyno defeats enemies but doesn’t wanna swap off his burst. Dendro is still very new, and there are only going to be 2 limited 5* when Al Haitham releases

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   • TL;DR OP- High amounts of copium.

     Like someone wrote before: “Funny how he’s Nahida’s downgrade in almost any team comp, and when it comes to his best teams he still needs her for er, em, resonance, and additional dendro off-field damage?”

     The moment you need a battery for Alhaitham, his teams become 1/3 of Nahida teams. Alhaitham mirrors and chocopunchs damage can be easily surpassed by way more seeds (hyperbloom, bloom and burgeon) or an anemo unit who buffs electro units (quicken).
     Her onfield value is higher (without taking the 250 EM in considerarion) than Alhaitham’s and only simps will argue against this fact.

     You’re forgetting that Nahida marks up to 8 enemies so if there are more than one enemy her damage potential skyrockets.

     If Baizhu or Kaveh end up being dendro buffers it’ll also mean that Nahida will get buffed. Even if they’re cracked they won’t solve the double dendro bottleneck on Alhaitham teams (the only reason why he’s three steps behind Nahida).

     That bad point on Nahida is ?, that’s probably the dvmb3st take on any character i’ve read. That’s like complaining for having to swap to Raiden in hyperbloom for her E orto swap to fischl to drop Oz.
     *Cyno is the only character with that multiwave problem so meh, that’s what happens when a kit is bad designed.

     If you like him, pull but don’t spread misinformation.

     TL;DR reply: too much copium in op comment

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     • You’re gonna make this guy cry

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     • lmao chocopunch damage I can’t ?

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     • @KTC

       Looks like you don’t know about Nahida’s ICD on her normals. It looks like she applies dendro but she’s not actually. Al Haitham 3 mirror proc has special 2 hit ICD. Along with his NA/CA, he applies more dendro and causes more REACTION damage than Nahida as he has more EM multiplier scaling, not to mention raw Dendro damage as well. Given this is just within his window of DPS which can be up to 12 seconds with 3 mirrors, but by that time most support abilities will stop buffing so it’s actually a good time to swap anyways.

       Better multipliers on Al Haitham already sets the bar for Al Haitham to do more damage than Nahida with his special ICD as well applying more dendro than Nahida. Nahida is just easier to unga bunga with. Not sure what’s so bad about not using Nahida with Al Haitham though cause most top team’s main damage dealer character uses a support of their element. Ayaka = Shenhe, Hutao = Xiangling,
       Xiangling = Bennett.

       You’re also forgetting Nahida abilities can all be functional OFF FIELD which is what she was created for as a dendro SUPPORT as Hoyo have stated before. Using Nahida on field is like using Yae Miko or Kokomi on field which you totally CAN, but they can totally function off field as well and it’s worse than having an actual main DPS on field

       If Nahida does damage off field, why need to put her on field? Of course everything needs to be tested with his release, but the statement was that he is better ON FIELD than Nahida. If when he releases and his teams with Nahida off field clear abyss faster than Nahida on field teams, then the statement is completely true.

       Similar to Yelan and XQ who are just stronger together or Bennett and Xiangling. resonance and ER for each other to consistently do damage

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       • The things i have to read smh.

         Nahida has standard icd on her normals so she applies dendro every 3 hits or every 2.5 seconds. Her charged attacks don’t have icd and apply dendro every hit. Her E doesn’t have icd and applies 1.5u dendro every 2~3 seconds. Her E cast also doesn’t have icd.

         Alhaitham has standard icd on his normals and charged (shared icd like Keqing), has the special 2 hits rule on his proyections and no icd on E cast. His dendro application interval on E it’s 3.2 seconds and applies 1u of dendro every time.

         Nahida will have better dendro app by the fact her E procs faster, you get extra application on E every 4 secs and her attack strings makes her application way faster (Nahida also has better AoE application). She also adds off field application so you’ll get more reactions or seeds when you’re casting your supports skills.

         For Alhaitham, his application won’t be that consistent (you can try looking Keqing, she has similar elemental application rate and can be used as example) and his normals/charged are as bad as Nahida’s.

         Now let’s talk about on field value.
         When were talking about dendro units, their value increase with their dendro application, the more, the better. The reason of that is that dendro teams damage relies on seed generation and/or application. Yes, Alhaitham will be doing a bit more raw dendro damage on field (with 3 mirrors) but overall Nahida on field value is higher just by the fact she’ll generate way more seeds, applies more dendro and she also adds damage.

         If we take Alhaithams problems (double dendro bottleneck, worse application and hypercarry gameplay despite not being one) in consideration, his value falls a ton.

         Of course there are carries that rely on units of the same element like Ayaka but for dendro units it’s a bit different. Yes, you can run double dendro on Alhaitham teams but in any bloom related team your seed creation ratio and damage will be lower than Nahida’s. In quicken, Alhaitham teams also drop the anemo unit that buffs electro (Kazuha) or the shielder (Zhongli) for comfort.
         You can use Nahida on Al’s teams but if you drop Alhaitham and use for example Yelan (hyperbloom), and then you use you Nahida onfield, the team will perform way better.

         Nahida best role is as driver, she has insane support qualities but she works better onfield. The teams she’s off field are worse than her on field teams.

         You killed yourself with abyss thing. C0 Nahida will do way better than Alhaitham because the most broken team is hyperbloom and she has the best hyperbloom team. C6 Nahida is almost as broken as Yelan, so no need to make comparisons.

         Not doing TL;DR because fu delusional simps

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         • The motion values on Nahida normals are pretty shit. Even with her signature she will be doing about 1/3 or less of Alhaitham’s normals with his signature.

           Assuming:

           Nahida – EM/EM/CD Deepwood (Don’t use Gilded on her, she’s the best DW holder of any unit)
           70 Crit
           140 Crit Damage
           Boosted with her own Ult
           Deepwood active

           Alhaitham – EM/Dendro/CD – Gilded
           70 Crit
           140 Crit Damage
           Unboosted (Unboosted he will still do 3x the damage through normals)
           Deepwood active

           VS Level 90 Geo Primovishap

           Comparison from GIDmgCalcutor github:

           https://i.imgur.com/KcUMMeg.png

           Kind of a pointless comparison because you’ll want to use them together. One specializes as an on-fielder and the other doesn’t.

         • Alhaitham – EM/Dendro/CR *

           Fixing error from earlier post.

         • I agree with Got3JeansLF Mona’s analysis here (complete with quantifiable figures to boot). What’s more is that Nahida’s Charged Attacks are subject to a 50 Stamina cost, so her on-field presence is a bit limited in that capacity as well.

         • @Got3JeanLF_Mona

           Again with NA bs. Neither Nahida or Alhaitham care about their chocopunchs motion values. Both have sh** motion values on normals and Alhaitham’s E doesn’t boost normals damage (like Yoimiya’s or Wanderer’s E), just adds damage through his mirrors and dendro infusion.

           I’ll recommend to redo your calcs because:
           -Gilded + dw shred is better than only dw shred
           -Dendro cup is better on Nahida

           If you add spread, Nahida will catch or even surpass Alhaitham damage on almost every spread she hits. The difference isn’t that big as she can spread her NA hits faster than Alhaitham.
           *If we compare them with their 4* options the gap between their non spread hits is smaller and Nahida wins in spread.

           Anyways, OP main point was that Alhaitham has more value as an on field unit than Nahida and that is not true.
           Alhaitham onfield only adds a bit more damage on E (perfect scenario, if you’re on 2 or less, Alhaitham damage sinks) and a tiny bit of more damage with non spread normals in exchange of worse dendro application, worse teams, 0 off field application (for example in Nahida hyperbloom you’ll get hyperblooms while you’re casting XQ and Yelan’s skills) and worse AoE damage.

           Let’s say you want to run an hyperbloom team. You pick Al/Nahida/XQ (full er)/Raiden. That team will be fine…. but, if you drop Alhaitham for Yelan, then you change your XQ build with more offensive stats because you’ll need way less ER and then you onfield your Nahida, that team will be waaaaaay better than the first one. You get more damage from your hydros, you get almost the same damage as Alhaitham with Nahida, you get way more hyperblooms because the hydro app will eat the insane dendro app from Nahida and you get better AoE potential with Nahida’s E.

           The same happens in most bloom teams you’ll play Alhaitham, if you drop him and onfield Nahida, the team will perform better.

           Quicken is the only team when Alhaitham is close to Nahida but again, if you use him you’ll have to run a 2dendro/2electro. That 2/2 team damage will only rely on quicken.
           In Nahida’s case she can run as solo dendro and you can add Kazuha (or Sucrose) who can buff the hell of electro units like Fischl or Yae and he himself “becomes” an extra electro unit with his infusions. If we add Nahida’s buffs, Nahida’s team shreds Alhaitam’s.
           *Nahida quicken teams are more quickswap than onfield but she still takes the edge.

           Again, you simps, stop spreading (lol) misinformation. As onfielder Nahida is clear of Alhaitham, NA aren’t that important.

         • @ KTC You killed yourself saying hyperbloom is the most broken team lol

           Hyperbloom has a high floor, low ceiling. Just needing to stack EM on someone like Raiden/Kuki. Dendro is great because of that high floor though

           Double dendro means Al Haitham is played in Quickbloom so it would be played with spreads and hyperblooms in one team (Al Haitham, Nahida, Yelan, Kuki). The spreads and hyperblooms

           At higher artifact and character talent investment, spread/aggravate teams with say Al Haitham, Nahida, Yae Miko, and Kuki would be even better as all teammates benefit from EM. Dendro resonance is one of the best if not the best resonance as giving 100 EM to every character in the party is huge especially if every character benefits from EM. Having 2 electro units also benefits Nahida’s elemental skill to trigger more often while off field during her burst uptime compared to having double hydro which only benefits Yelan’s raw damage. Electro resonance is also nice to have. Spread/Aggravate will also be even better in AOE

           Also agreeing to Got3JeansLF Mona, the whole point was that Al Haitham is better on fielder

         • “-Dendro cup is better on Nahida”

           That’s not necessarily true. The reason you use EM cup is to maximize the potential of A4. Assuming you have her signature and are using EM/EM/CD:

           (187; sands) + (187; cup) + (265; sig) + (115; ascension stat) = 754

           Take this and add a maximum EM buff potential of 1000 EM from Ult & A1 (250 EM):

           754 + 250 = 1004

           Just 4 points above the cap for A4 but only when she’s on-field. Off-field it’s even more important because a low EM value hurts your average damage from Tri-Karma Purification. The calcs reflect this; the lower your EM, the less your E does (the crit from A4 helps your average a lot). You don’t want that, especially against higher density where she is proc’ing TKR against multiple enemies.

           TL;DR

           You don’t want to sacrifice E proc average damage for slightly higher NAs because her NAs are nowhere near the bulk of her damage.

         • These copium junkies.

           @Libby
           Yes, hyperbloom has lower ceiling than most comps but in exchange you reach the max floor easily. It’s the most broken because in order to reach the same floor as hyperbloom you need unreal artifacts and the best weapons with refinements.

           That brings us to the next topic: The higher investment thing only works for vape and melt for how these reactions work. Quicken doesn’t care that much about motion values (main reason why Keqing improved despite having sh** mutipliers) and the damage won’t sustancially get better with better weapons/artifacts. Quicken damage ceiling is higher than hyperbloom but is harder (almost imposible without whaling tbh) to get there and the difference is negligible.

           Cyno qb is worse than Nahida hb by a decent margin, even a 3x crowned c0r1 Cyno with great artifacts in quickbloom can’t outdps Nahida hb. Alhaitham qb will be better than Cyno qb (in perfect scenarios) but worse than Nahida hb.

           Dendro resonance is the reason why Alhaitham’s quickbloom is going to be better than Cyno in the perfect scenario.

           If you play quickbloom, you won’t have 2 electros. If you talked about quicken, Nahida is used with 2 electros too (electro resonance) and Kazuha (or Sucrose). Kazuha buffs + his personal damage (his electro swirls also aggravate) can easily outclass Alhaitham and dendro resonance. Kazuha also adds cc, more i frames and rotation flexibility (Alhaitham has hypercarry gameplay despite not being one).

           *Quicken with Nahida-Kazuha is harder to play and more quickswap but since were talking about perfect scenarios, yeah. Just by this fact i take that Alhaitham quicken isn’t that far from Nahida’s but she is still the better one.

           You can do any mental gymnastics but Nahida will be better on field unit in any scenario or team.

           If we add the whale point, Nahida also stands out as the best onfield dendro unit. Her c2 and c6 are busted.

           @Got3JeansLF_Mona

           If we are talking about onfield Nahida, dendro cup is better in any scenario. The difference in damage between every trikarma proc is negligible (em cup being ~4% better with 0 substats on any piece). You fill that difference in damage with the great improvement you get in every other part of her kit you’ll use while she’s onfield.

           Every EM substat makes Dendro cup better than EM cup because disminishing return. The close you are to 1k em the less value em has. You can check the calculator and do the math. It’s not that hard. About 60 EM from substats will make dendro cup almost same as EM cup for TriKarma (1~2% difference) and better for every other part of her kit
           *It’s almost impossible to not have EM substats so yeah.

           You simp should pray for Alhaitham to not suffer the same spreadsheet syndrome as Wanderer. Good numbers on paper but meh performance ingame.

         • Al Haitham banner is almost out so we should all just wait for a week before any conclusions. Al Haitham should be a solid pull regardless though as he would be the 2nd dendro 5* and the free 4*s are not really amazing to say the least including Yaoyao. The element just needs more sub dps and supports then Nahida and Al Haitham can be on 2 different teams or same team.

           Also Al Haitham was designed to be solely an on field unit with no support abilities, so he should be better on field, but people will just have to test it.

         • “…Wanderer. Good numbers on paper but meh performance ingame.”

           That’s not true. Wanderer/Faruzan at the highest level of investment is as strong as Raiden/Sara or Ayaka/Shenhe.

           Nahida sucks as a on-fielder. It’s just that in her best teams, it’s convenient to slot her as the sole Dendro character for everything she can do off-field but drive with Dendro app, and have the rest of the cast be other broken units (esp. Yelan, Nilou, Koko). Most of the teams damage isn’t from the motion values from her own normals, but rather the reactions they can create by virtue of being Dendro. She’s short, and is a catalyst user (low poise damage, low MV/s). Not everyone wants to play that out front. This is what this guy doesn’t want you to know or doesn’t acknowledge. It’s either a lie by omission or a failure to distinguish.

         • @Got3JeansLF Mona That’s the very reason I don’t want to play 3H1D. On-field Nahida is not fun to me. She is slow to hit, slow to move, has low poise, NAs are weak and I don’t like the NAs moves. it’s painful to watch. Char is really strong, no doubt, but if I can onfield another units than kids, I do it gladly.

         • @KTC: “…and the damage won’t sustancially get better with better weapons/artifacts. ”

           You mean ‘substantially’, right?

           Anyway, while Nahida’s off-field Dendro application is phenomenal and unmatched, her on-field presence is not without caveats, which Got3JeansLF and Dnoyr have impartially mentioned. I’d also like to add that dashing on a small character is also notoriously janky.

           This isn’t to say that Nahida on-field is terrible. She’s fine. But to say that Alhaitham can’t play better on-field in any capacity is simply biased and ignorant.

         • @KTC “Wanderer. Good numbers on paper but meh performance ingame.”

           Whoa there now who’s coping here?

         • @KTC

           Turns out al haitham is better than expected and better than Nahida in terms of on field DPS for spread. Zajef has stated that he is slightly worse leading a hyperbloom team but not by much. He also stated that he has better AOE than Nahida and that when invested in with better artifacts and teammates, his teams will reach a higher DPS than Nahida in the same teams. Seeya KTC, fake TC

   • Of course, Honey Impact noname named Libby knows better than all the tcs who say that he’s a downgrade to Nahida in a majority of teams. Sure man

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     • I’m tc and disagree with you.

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   • What did you smoke before making this comment? Why even compare their auto multipliers when hyperbloom/quickbloom depends just on EM , it’s why Hyperbloom raiden works because you don’t need CR at all and she still can hit like 30k hyper procs.

     In what world is he a better on fielder than Nahida? he literally requires an ability to get infusion for a short time while nahida can perma apply dendro through skill and auto/NA’s and hyperbloom doesn’t care for any other stat but EM so the fact Nahida can potentially gain 250EM from her passive so when comparing the 2 the only criteria is who can keep hyperbloom up time the longest without interruption and that easily goes to nahida. Also Nahidas dmg spreads to anyone marked , her aoe potential is literally infinite where Al doesn’t get that luxury because he’s a melee sword unit with above average strike range with his mirror passive.

     The second you have to add a 2nd dendro unit to make your team functional already means he’s worse than Nahida because doesn’t need that , she sustains her own ER requirements where Al needs a battery. The biggest cope is you’re gambling your characters potential on future units we have no kits for , remember when people said heizou was going to be xiaos supp before leaks came? oh look how that turned out and the irony is even if they did make Kaveth a dendro Gorou what’s stopping them from pulling a faruzen? Make kaveth garbage up until C6 is a high possibility as well

     The best part of all of this is that Al Haitham’s best team literally needs Nahida otherwise his dmg potential tanks hard and the irony here is if you ran hyper Al Haitham , all you have to do is swap Al haitham for Yelan and run double hydro hyperbloom and now you have possibly one of the best single target teams in the game and it’s still decent at AOE , his only niche rn is spread teams which has a lower dmg floor than hyperbloom

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     • No no no. Hyperbloom doesn’t depend just on EM, dendro characters don’t do anything to hyperbloom cores’ dmg.

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   • “The one bad thing about Nahida is that you need to swap back to her to reapply her mark which can ruin rotations.”
     You know OP is full of shit just from this statement alone.

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5. If he is weaker than Wanderer its an easy skip

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6. The everlasting Nahida vs Alhaitham “debate”

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   • What’s the debate? Nahida is objectively better than him in almost any case/team, but some Alhaitham simps or just trolls love to write nonsense. No one with some knowledge of meta and characters’ kits considers Alhaitham to have even 1/3 of Nahida’s strength as an enabler, sub dps and support unit combined.

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     • LMFAO that is why the word is put in the quotes. Pls relearn the purposes of them ?.

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       • This. People like Ivora just see words on an entirely superficial level.

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       • “Relearn the purposes of them”. Oh, if they are so different, why can they be interchangeable in 80% of teams? And in all of these teams he’s inferior compared to her based on the impact they give to their team which results in higher/lower team comp dps. This is exactly why Alhaitham is called “Nahida’s downgrade”.

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         • No sr I means “them” are the quotes and not Alhaitham and Nahida. Sr for being not clear

           For more explanation, “debate” here also refers to the troll, nonsense posts

         • Dude, we’re talking about the purpose of quotation marks.

           In any case, it’s sad how you need to justify yourself by oversimplifying everything and parroting what others have been saying.

         • My bad they r called quotation marks

         • @Unbelievable, you seem to very pressed about something. Are you an insecure Alhaitham simp who hates the truth or just deranged?

         • @Ivora: Is this the part where I take your bait and start talking about everything other than your ignorance of quotation marks? lol

         • “Let’s type some random insults and see how they react”.

         • @Unbelievable, oh, you are both then, good to know man

         • Long and pointless thread, take 10.

     • this person just aquired human C6 IRL ?

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     • So just to be clear, this is you when you’re not those things?

       ecks dee.

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7. Nahida found dead in a ditch. Theorycrafters say that Alhaitam is now the only dendro character good enough for the meta.

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   • According to you, theorycrafters say a lot of things.

     Anyone else want to see this troll bot disappear? lol

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   • are you using his old scalings or?

     I’m not saying he’s gonna be weak, bc god knows im not gonna let him be on my end – but he’s not nearly as broken as he was in beta initially

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   • Yes, this is so, true.

     RIP Nahida, better pull Alhaitham if you want to stay on top of the meta.

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8. I love how the website has had “occupation”: ????? since the start when this page was made. As if his job doesn’t have a massive part in the story/character. LMAO. What even.

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9. Guys, is he good with burning reaction?

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10. I currently have a C6 Nahida equipped with a R5 Kagura’s Verity. I run her as an on-field Main DPS in a Spread reaction comp. My question is simple: is there any reason for me to consider rolling for Alhaitham? Does he offer any potential utility when used in tandem with Nahida? Or will he actively steal her Spreads?

    I’ll be honest, I greatly enjoyed Alhaitham’s characterization in the 3.0~3.2 Archon Questline and I consider his aesthetic design one of the best out of Genshin’s entire male roster. I am however, somewhat disappointed in the visual design of his moveset; not the biggest fan of his “mirror” motif nor the copy-pasted nature of his Skill/Burst. It’s clear as day that he is designed with Spread reactions in mind due to his BiS weapon having 88% Crit DMG as its substat. Since Spread/Aggravate are the only Dendro reactions capable of benefitting from Crit stats on gear, I think it is safe to assume this was MiHoYo’s intention from the start.

    I do not usually roll for males since sexy waifus tend to make my investment feel much more satisfying in the long term. Only males I have ever I made an exception for are Childe C0 and Kazuha C2 in the past; both of which served their purpose for awhile, but now I feel as though it may have been wiser to allocate my rolls elsewhere. For reference, I run Hu Tao Vape x Nahida Spread for my dual Abyss team setup.

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    Note: If I do decide to skip Alhaitham, I will not be rolling for anyone else until version 4.0 at the very earliest, since none of the upcoming banners between now and then interest me in the slightest. Just under 20,000 Primogems saved up as of writing this. I heavily dislike Yelan, Dehya, Baizhu, and Kaveh’s design/characterization, so absolutely no chance I’ll roll for any of them even if they’d synergize well with my teams. The leaked “Human Cloud Retainer” character looks pretty awful too. I tend to be extremely selective when I roll. Even though I’ve been playing every day since November 2020 I’ve only ever rolled for: Hu Tao(C6), Childe(C0), Klee(C4), Ganyu(C0), Kazuha(C2), and Nahida(C6). I’m willing to spend alot for my favorite characters though; ergo why I splurged on Hu Tao and Nahida’s respective banners.

    So yeah, some guidance would be much appreciated ^_^;

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    • god just pull c0 and be done with it

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    • I am also at the same spot as yours, having C6 Nahida and liking Alhaitham’s characterization and style.
      For me, I plan to try him out first in trial A LOT once he releases, and if I feel his playstyle if fun and can be a good Dendro driver for maybe a Kuki + Xingqiu hyperbloom team then I would just get him at C0 and maybe skip signature weapon.
      C6 Nahida spread comp is enough for current content and no need to include Alhaitham in a C6 Nahida team. Having another onfield Dendro character might open up some interesting comps as well.

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    • Resume: I think you don’t need to roll on him.

      Explanation: Alhaitham as I know is supposed to be a on-field DMG dealer and has no passive that buffs other team mates, not even his constelations has team buffs.

      As you already have Hu Tao C6 then you likely gonna run her with vape/melt comps, not a burn thing. And for Nahida C6 she becomes the dendro DPS.

      If you really want to improve your teams wait for like a Dendro/Pyro Faruzan that can buff an element.
      But we gonna have the character trial, maybe you like his mirror gameplay. (I don’t like it either)

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    • The CN TCs have placed Alhaitham’s aggra/spread team with C6 Yae and C6 Nahida (one flex slot) on par with C6 Melt Ayaka. If you’re okay with whaling for his C6R1 or C6R5 (like I am), you’ll enjoy him.

      His C0 performance is really good too, but it wouldn’t come anywhere close to a C6 Nahida.

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    • Tldr

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    • Spreads can’t be stolen because the quicken aura works for every electro and dendro character in the team until it disappear and needs another quicken reaction.
      Alhaitham can be played as a burst dps but he won’t give something else than dps, except with his C4 as well.

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    • “Absolutely no chance I’ll roll for any of them even if they’d synergize well with my teams.”

      There you go, you answered your own question on your last paragraph: just pull on the character(s) that you are interested in, screw the meta.

      After all, I see you have Klee at C4, but willing to skip Yelan and I don’t even see Raiden and Ayaka mentioned in your list, even though they are meta and/or very versatile. You already know what you want.

      This question is not asking for guidance, it’s asking for clarification of your decisions from internet strangers. So there you go. You have my blessings.

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      • 100% agree with this notion.

        Just pull for the types of characters you know you already like. You’re thinking to hard on it tbh. Just try out Alhaitham’s Test Run. Watch some videos of live-game footage. If you like what you see, pull. If not, then just skip.

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    • I would say it depends on your playstyle, I didn’t get Nahida but she seems to still be a preference for some damage wise but other people are saying that she is a downgrade. I suppose it depends how you plan to play him and if you think his kit looks good, with the right team he can be really powerful from what I’ve seen.

      But I also have a question, how much does it cost to get a c6 character? >_> Alhaitham is one of my favourite characters and I am very much considering c6 lol.

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      • No one, not a single soul is saying she’s a downgrade to Alhaitham, she’s better than him in 90% of teams

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    • no

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    • Adressing just some of the points, as most of it depends on your preference:
      ->He should deal more damage as an on-field spread DPS, due to higher multipliers that also get the benefits of off-field Nahida. It seems that his cons offer up to 120 EM to the team, but otherwise the “synergy” between him and Nahida are just Nahida enhancing his damage through her various buffs.
      ->It is impossible to steal spreads, as spread and aggravate do not consume the elemental aura (AKA internal gauge).
      ->Generally, on-field DPS characters get rotated out easier than off-field DPS/Supports due to the nature of only having one character on-field at a time.

      IMO, having 2 C6 R5 5-stars should be more than enough to bruteforce through any content present and future, so you should probably focus on having fun. If you playtest him and he is fun, go for it, otherwise don’t. 🙂

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    • Play the characters you find fun. On field DPS characters are generally very skippable. It’s the supports and subDPS characters that can open up new team comps.

      An area that Al Haitham should beat Nahida if at same investment level is his on field damage as that’s what he is meant to do. In regards to Spreads he will not take any of the spreads from Nahida. When you are bored of using Nahida on field, you can use Al Haitham on field instead.

      You mentioned that you won’t roll again until Fontaine because of various reasons, so if Al Haitham design, gameplay, personality vibe with you, I’d say go for it. You can continiously just farm the deepwood/gilded dreams domain for both of them

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    • Guidance, buy his C6 like a good paypig.

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      • I mean don’t get me wrong, I have plenty of money to blow on this wonderful game, and I love to reward miHoYo whenever they implement stuff I’ve been requesting in surveys and such, but I don’t think I’d ever be able to justify spending so much on a MALE character banner regardless of how good the design is. You have to understand, I genuinely LOVE my beautiful wife Nahida and my sexy ex-wife Hu Tao; simply gazing upon their beauty whilst walking around the serene rolling hills of Teyvat is enough to fill me with immense satisfaction 😮

        I cannot derive that magnitude of pleasure from a male character, you see. ‘Tis a shame I am not bisexual; I’d imagine Alhaitham’s fangirls are practically salivating with anticipation.

        TL;DR: Highest I’d be willing to roll Alhaitham is probably around C1~2 mark, but considering how bad the assortment of 4-stars gracing his banner are, I feel like I might simply skip him after all. Yaoyao is a major cutie, but the other two abominations? No thanks lol =_=

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        • Just skip, then.
          And maybe spend a bit more time out and about in real world. These characters are still pixels afterall and and are no replacement for rl waifus and husbandos.

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