434 responses to “Шилонен”

1. In what Team will she excell good at? And what role could she fit in? Maybe DPS? Or just Buffer / Healer. Any synergy predictions already?

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   • one team that i know she would be best at is neuvilette team especially if hes c1
     nevuilette furina kazuha xilonen will be his best non dendro team

     outside of it, shes universal buffer for swirlable element team like kazuha is, im guessing she going to be like xingqiu-yelan where you can play kazuha 1st team and xilonen on second team but they can work together too

     she seems okay in geo team except navia, she change role into offield dps with crit build who can heal for triple geo team core

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     • Im sorry but why except navia? I thought they make a good synergy?

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       • Navia+Furina+Fischl/Yae+Xilonen seems broken.

         Xilonen works like a Geo Jean for Geo teams, provides healing along with ER for Navia in case you need it, the healing enables stacking on Furina’s Burst, Fischl is there along with Furina to crystalize and Navia is there to wreck sh!t.

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         • yeah that team do have strong synergy, the problem is you have so many ele bonus% and you miss out atk buff from bennet and res shred from zhongli or xilonene, we all know that atk/hp/def% x (ele bonus+ele shred) x cv have the most optimal result, i didn’t mean it’s bad when i exclude her but bcus i was not confident with that glaring problem, i cannot wait to test it out and see their result

       • she does work well with Navia because Navia likes having 2 PHEC teammates in order to create shards. Literally Navia and Ningguang are the two geo DPS that she works well with at C0.

         Mono geo she doesn’t work in unless she’s either the damage driver (so no itto) or she’s c2 so you can get the geo res shred once she’s off field.

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       • they do work don’t get me wrong, but i’m not confident to say that it would improve her team significantly than whats already available, navia current comps are already solid, at worst case she would be a sidegrade, need day 1 testing for actual comparison

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         • what is her the best team? I think its Navia+furina+bennet+flex geo. Isn’t xilonen the best option here?

     • Would it be possible instead of Kazuha, to use Sucrose?

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       • you could, but it will be inferior ofc, sucrose herself buff em which neuv rarely wants, but she still provide VV shred so theres still a synergy there

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2. So, what’s her build ?

   Def/Def/Def With new Natlan set and you’re good to go ?

   with sub stat it just Def % and ER ?

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   • You don’t need DEF if you don’t go for her weapon. Max ER without weapon, with weapon max DEF and go for occasional ER.

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   • yes

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   • For her set you MUST go for the new Natlan support set (it looks to be tailor made for Xilonen) this will greatly increase her supportive capabilties.
     Since the set also grants elemental DMG to the wielder of the set, this set will also greatly increase her own damage as a sub-DPS
     If you plan on just using her as a healer, any healing set would also work, but do keep in mind that her healing is already pretty good even without healing sets, so even on healer builds the Natlan set should be your “go to” set.

     The stats you want to aim for will change based on if you use her signature weapon.

     If you go for her weapon, Def/Def/Crit should be a very good option, het weapon needs Def to function, but it gives a lot of Def already so you don’t need triple Def for the max buff, her own damage is based on her Def and since the weapon should profide a lot of elemental DMG bonus% she doesn’t need geo DMG bonus to deal great damage. thus going Def/Def/Crit with ER and Crit substats should make her a very good sub-DPS and support and healer all at the same time. (healing is already good enough if you reach enough Def for her weapon to fully work). So if you are going to pull for her weapon she will probably be a really good unit that supports, heals and deals great damage.

     If you don’t go for her weapon, things will change a bunch. You no longer need Def for any passive, so her build should be a little more free.
     Basically you have 2 options now; you can build her sub-DPS or Healer. (in both builds her buffs are equal)

     For a sub-DPS you should probably go for Def/Geo DMG/Crit. (basically just a dps build) sub-DPS is great for teams that have less than 2 swirlable elements (so basically any mono geo team) because her burst and skill will have increased damage in those teams. You want to aim for Crit and ER substats and Def is nice as well, but not as important as ER (her burst will deal a lot of DMG so ER is very important) you might even consider swapping her sands piece to an ER piece if you really struggle to get her burst up.

     For a healing build you could go for Def(or ER)/Def/Healing Bonus(Def should work as well) Healing build is amazing in teams that have 2 or more swirlable elements, her damage won’t be increased so even if you build her for DPS, she won’t do as well as in the other teams, so healing is a great option here. Do keep in mind that as of now her healing multipliers are pretty high, so building her completely for healing will probably provide way more healing than you will ever really need. (it will probably go very well with a high HP Furina) For substats you obviously want to go for Def and ER, other substats don’t really matter. (unless you run fav sword of course)

     Now of course Xilonen hasn’t been released yet, so I can’t say anything for sure, but if all of the information we have about her right now is correct, this should work very well on her.

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     • Thanks you very much.

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3. who knows why, but i think that they changed her c2 because of navia… imagining a team with those two girls would be something like “why should i pull c2 navia if with c2 i get the same and even better”
   so if you want that extra rate you should pull navias’ too…
   greedy bitches as always

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   • Navia’s sig gives 22 CR, she has 5 base, she gets 36 from her C2 and with Xilonen’s old C2 she’d get 30
     That’s 93 CR, have fun trying not to overcap when getting artifacts or switching to a worse weapon

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     • what are you saying bruh
       first of all, “navia’s sig” is not mandatory, so it’s not a valid starting point, because you can be f2p and or just aiming for constellation only (maybe you even have WGS)
       second, crit rate rolling is not guaranteed
       third, in that case, you can still switch to artifacts which have higher crit dmg + atk

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       • You would overcap in 3 crit rate substats. That’s less than 1 per artifact, so double crit artifacts are now worthless.
         If you decided to use serpent spine you get 1 crit sub, if you use a claymore with 33% crit you don’t even get crit rate subs anymore
         Geo DMG% is just a much easier stat, it doesn’t force anyone to rebuild and it doesn’t fuck over people who pulled both C2s

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         • meh, i think i got your point bro but to my farming experience it’s 100% better rate
           you would “overcap” it only and ONLY if you have good artifacts, otherwise it’s not a thing
           this stuff would make navia’s build stupidly easy, and actually it would be better for hoyo’s pockets
           it’s something like: we make artifacts farming a huge dogshit, but hey let’s get this slice of crit rate for free!
           create problems and sell solutions
           (anyway, even without mentioning navia, 30% rate is much better overall because there are other geo units. I guess the average player’s build is arond 60-70% rate, assuming he passed weeks/months in a domain… and that would be awesome for itto. I could personally swithc crit rate hat for crit damage. Or Zhonlgly. Or Chiori. No way bro… 30% rate for every geo, and for free, is a huge QoL)

         • there are also crit sets, Fontaine and Natlan ones. And Itto as I remember also has CR on early constellations. It is totally right decision to swap Geo DMG%. Getting 80-90% CR nowadays is no issue at all

4. V4 changes

   C2:
   • Geo: DMG +50%
   • Pyro: ATK +45%
   • Hydro: HP +45%
   • Cryo: CRIT DMG +60%
   • Electro: Restore 25 Energy, decrease Elemental Burst CD by 6s

   C6:
   When Xilonen is in the Nightsoul’s Blessing state, when she sprints, leaps, or uses Normal or
   Plunging Attacks, she will gain Imperishable Night’s Blessing, ignoring the limitations of her
   Nightsoul’s Blessing state and increasing the DMG dealt by her Normal and Plunging Attacks for
   5s. During this time:
   • Her Nightsoul’s Blessing time limit countdown will be paused. Xilonen’s Nightsoul points,
   Phlogiston, and Stamina will not decrease, and when her Nightsoul points reach the maximum, her
   Nightsoul’s Blessing state will not end either.
   • Xilonen deals 300% of her DEF as increased Normal and Plunging Attack DMG while in the
   Nightsoul’s Blessing state.
   • Every 1.5s, heals HP equal to 120% of Xilonen’s DEF for all nearby party members.
   She can gain 1 Imperishable Night’s Blessing once every 15s

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   • I have a question about her C6 heals for team wide. she has to be in nightsoul state to continuously heal? really worried she might take too much on field time for the team wide heals.

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     • well, you can just use her burst to heal other character if she had 2 samples

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   • The c2 bait is immense but that c1 still feels so nothing

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     • in what world teamwide interruption resistance is nothing? teams without IR in their kits exist only in speedruns and showcases. This C1 makes her very versatile to make dps of the characters, who previously lack IR or have insufficient one. JuSt learn to dodge? Dodge in GI is dps loss if it isnt for animation cancelling. Obviously you dodge some hits, use i-frames etc, but you are also face tanking plenty of hits as well. If you gonna spend half of the time dodging your clear times will be awful. And predicting your objections about Xiao and Childe – they have IR in-built in the Q and E stances respectively

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   • Her C2 is now officially the most broken constellation in the game.

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     • Not officially bro. She is not released yet. This is beta kit, which can be changes on her release.
       I mean, until she is officially released, don’t put too much expectation based on beta kit, just to avoid disappoinment and misleading impression of her.

       But one thing that I am sure. She is hot and that is permanent.

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       • You don’t have to keep me informed on what you learned yesterday. I’m here for a lot longer than you are.

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       • How often does a beta’s V4 get changed before release? I haven’t been watching Genshin beta changes long, but I would expect that with each iteration the character moves toward their final state, and there are usually only 4 rounds of beta changes, right?

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         • There are actually five rounds of beta changes, and they update the beta every week. V3 is where the biggest changes happen.

     • I dont see her C2 as broken, more like bait for low spenders

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5. why every one say c2 is nerf for geo ?? isn’t it say dmg dealt 40% ??? so if Character doing 10k dmg become 14k ?? i am lost ???

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   • Yes you are lost
     In most places when you see the term “DMG”, they all stack additively. This can be elemental DMG, NA DMG, Charged atk DMG and so on. 1 exception is Crit DMG, that is counted separately.

     Assume your xilonen already has 200% DMG from character buffs, artifact, weapon sets etc combined. Her c2 will raise it to 240%, which is actually 25% increase in dmg. So your dmg will go to 12.5k, not 14k. 200% is arbitrary, it can be higher for some characters, lower for others. The higher it is, the lower the dmg increase from c2. The lower your total DMG% from other sources is, the higher dmg increase from c2.

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   • C2 is good for Geo, even more now the geo sample stays active off field at C2.

     People talk about nerf because V1 C2 Xilonen had +30% Crit Rate for geo chars and got changed to +40% dmg bonus. +40% dmg bonus is less amazing but still very good.

     Just note that this 40% dmg bonus add to the other sources you have (geo cup, geo res, external buffs like 2p Obsidienne, 4p Natlan support set or Furina’s buff), so it’s not a straight +40% DPS. but still a nice increase to have.

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     • i also see this as a QoL update and not a nerf. Sure 30% crit rate would be a bit better than straight dmg% but you would also need to eventualy rebuild your characters for her because you might end up with more than 100% crit rate on your already well build characters. With the straight dmg bonus you can just keep all your builds

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   • it’s the same wording as mona, furina and serpent spine damage bonuses for example. They all stack together with other damage bonus multipliers. Mona’s omen does not straight up increase your damage by 60% and you can check it with any of those characters.

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   • to me still remains a retard move
     and we just have one fact, not just an opinion (mine), to proof rate is better than dmg: artifact shit rng.
     Do you even know the value to get an extra 30% rate?

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   • actually a Xilonen’s buff, no one wants crit rate as a support buff, you want crit in your BUILD. A support should increase your DMG%, not stability (you must work in artifacts if you want better stability). Look kazuha/furina/bennet/nahida/sucrose/etc they increase your DMG scaling instead of a CHANCE to increase your dmg…. that’s why they are OP. Xilonen seems broken, kazuha with heal, prob his replacement after years.

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   • cuz it used to be +30% crit rate i guess ?

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   • The probable reason they changed the geo C2 bonus to dmg% is that you can easily cap on crit rate these days but you cannot cap on dmg%. Bad builds value crit rate more to get a good CR/CD ratio, but good builds don’t really need it anymore.

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     • Specifically, I think it is because of Navia. Someone willing to C2 Xilonen for Navia likely has C2 Navia and her signature weapon. And that makes it very easy to overcap. Navia also being why it is DMG rather than def (thankfully).

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6. Despite not having any synergy with Itto in the idealized Itto mono-geo team, Xilonen would be a super strong contender for best geo teammate for Itto in a double geo team.

   For one, transitioning Itto from the premium, one-tone mono-geo teams to a more flexible team setting not restricted or limited to premium teammate options like the repeat Zhongli + Chiori or be indefinitely glued to Gorou. What would be lost from the absence of Gorou’s DEF and Geo damage buff plus those particles generated within the base kit to the 60% crit damage at C6 can be made up for with supports and other teammates from other elements that not only would buff Itto, but provide their own non-negligible damage. One of those is Yelan, who would also wield a Fav bow like Gorou would typically carry, but also provides the ramp-up damage bonus and coordinated attacks that Itto will trigger when regaining Superlative Super Strength stacks. That leads to the next reason.

   The pivotal teammate for an Itto double geo team that can compete and even has an edge against his mono-geo teams is Furina. As we know, Xilonen will only trigger healing on active character in a team composed of two PHEC elements. Xilonen without her C2, within a mono-geo team, also can’t shred geo resistance from off field. So the two important feats for XIlonen as a support needs her in a double PHEC team, which you’d throw Itto in. Furina in an Itto team is a pretty major QoL upgrade. Not only will Furina provide respectable damage off field and give up to 75% damage bonus, which also affects geo characters who didn’t have Kazuha of their own (although moot point with the new Scroll set), but Furina also enables Itto to move on from the outdated Husk of Opulent Dreams set in a resin-inefficient domain to the more modern and strong Marechaussee Hunter set. So, while missing out on 60CV in Crit DMG from Gorou’s C6, Itto gains 72CV from the 36 crit rate from Marechaussee Hunter. The abundance of DMG bonuses from Furina, geo resonance, the Scroll set, Marechaussee 2pc, and even Yelan as flex 4th slot encourages a goblet with DEF% main stat. An ER sands also wouldn’t sacrifice too much either, especially as energy becomes a more potent problem for Itto with only one other geo teammate.

   And the last point is that Xilonen is more obtainable than C6 Gorou, especially when 4* characters aren’t guaranteed and people generally aren’t looking highly into Itto constellations unless they are hardcore Itto mains. Xilonen will also have Scroll of the Hero being far better on her than Exile on Gorou, which is quite a niche 4* set really only applicable to Gorou builds.

   And there you have it- while Xilonen helps very little for Itto in mono-geo, she opens up avenues for Itto to join double geo teams like Noelle wet rock, Navia hot rock, or a plethora of other team combinations. It opens up room for Furina to fit comfortably into Itto teams and give him a new set to rock with. The renewed Itto team will also save Gorou for a Noelle on other half of abyss (rare case though) or save Zhongli for the team on other half, even a Zhongli – Chiori core. If you wanna rock an updated Itto mono geo team, there is always Kachina who can rock the Scroll set, even when its a downgrade to the other mono geo options, leaving those other options for teams on other half of abyss.

   Perhaps, Xilonen is the very key to get Itto out of the prison of mono-geo and out of the grasps of Itto’s 3-geo buff dependency.

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   • Okay but why you talking like genshin npc

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7. I’m reading this and she seems like a character from this game called warframe. The character’s name was octavia and she was busted. She did everything and allowed for essentially every kind of buff. This reads like that.

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   • That means that we have to crouch several times to be invisible?
     Octavia was my main, beautiful character, just like Xilo

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8. Is her C1 relevant at all? other than Xilolen DPS?

   With the “nerf” on the GEO buff of her C2 + updated on the weapon banner that makes it easier to reach the pity + buff on her weapon, i guess it`s better to just go for C0R1. You will get basically the same effect of her C2 but with less primos spent

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   • her c2 geo i think someone say is buff not nerf it’s like mona ult buff

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     • Got a source for that?

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     • it’s the same wording as mona, furina and serpent spine damage bonuses for example. They all stack together with other damage bonus multipliers. Mona’s omen does not straight up increase your damage by 60% and you can check it with any of those characters.

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9. that hero set is too strong to not be so conditional
   and hoyoscam never fails to manipulate people to pull new charas
   did you read that? “when a party MEMBER triggers” etc.
   not the wielder
   hence: if you use xilonen with different teams, she doesn’t get energy
   which is ok but what I mean is that to have the full bonus you need both the wielder and team members to be from natlan

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   • Doesn’t she trigger the 2p by herself ? She is a party member after all.

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     • Yes, she would trigger the 2-Piece bonus by herself – even solo.

       To test in game, equip Kachina with 2-Piece Hero set, solo party. Deal Elemental DMG to opponent and trigger Nightsoul Burst.
       Elemental Energy increases without any particles generated from mobs.

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     • Indeed, it does not say “OTHER party member” or “a party member besides Xilonen/wielder”.

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   • Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City:
     “2-Piece Bonus
     When a nearby party member triggers a Nightsoul Burst, the equipping character regenerates 6 Elemental Energy.”

     The tutorial for “Nightsoul Burst”
     “When your party contains a character from Natlan, when a character deals Elemental DMG to an opponent, a Nightsoul Burst will be triggered. The more characters from Natlan you have in your party, the shorter the CD before another Nightsoul Burst may be triggered: When you have 1/2/3 or more characters from Natlan in your party, the CD between Nightsoul Bursts will be 18/12/9s respectively.”

     TLDR; You only need one Natlan character in party (eg Xilonen) to trigger the 2-Piece Bonus regardless of who is holding the Hero set.

     If you have ANY character from Natlan in your party (Xilonen), any character in your party can trigger Nightsoul Burst if they can deal Elemental DMG to an opponent (triggering 2-Piece Bonus on the Hero set for Xilonen). Nightsoul Burst is not exclusive to being triggered by Natlan characters; it ONLY requires having at least 1 character from Natlan in your party. Unless your party only deals physical damage outside of the Hero set wielder, you will get Nightsoul Burst procs and 2-Piece Hero set procs.
     Having multiple characters from Natlan simply reduces the CD between Nightsoul Bursts so you could get extra procs of the 2-Piece Bonus each rotation depending on rotation length and number of Natlan characters.

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   • I believe every party member can trigger it as long as there is a natlan unit in team

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   • Yeah, manipulating people into pulling new characters is how live service gachas work. You’re also wrong and stupid.

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10. my question is simple.
    what happens if you use GEO MC, Kachina, and Xiloen bursts at the same time? xiloen plunge?

    does everything resonates like crazy?

    if so then we can also play her like freeze teams, fill everyone with ER, and spam ults non stop.

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    • what?

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    • Riiiiight somehow I thought Geo construct resonance was a default geo thing.

      its a secondary ability of Zhong Li Pillar.

      just another abandoned geo ability I guess

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      • ngl I would love to have a new geo with same skill but buffed damage, will make zhongli c1 actually worthwhile

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