298 responses to “Sigewinne”

1. She should’ve been a 4 star…

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   • Remember DEEZ Nuts?

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2. easiest skip since klee
   loli material for sick minds, unless you’re 16 already and then it’s fine for me
   but for old players something like this is horrendous, not to mention cringe syringe gameplay
   finally some primo saving!

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   • what? no, characters like klee, yao yao, an her are directed at parents, womens and some people who like the idea of having a kid, lil sister etc, like stop projecting that hard lol, also they are not even using weird clothes like other gachas do, if people say they like them is nothing wrong, is wrong that your mind redirect you to think is in a weird way, says more about you than them

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     • I get what you mean but to be fair a high percent of the ‘loli’ characters do have either very short skirts/pants, show more skin than the average character, and/or have those stretching animations where for some reason they moan a lot, so they’re most definitely designed aiming at a certain audience, it’s disingenuous to say otherwise.

       Sigewinne is not an offender on those aspects tho.

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       • I lied, she is in fact an offender. Why does she put her butt out on all her animations, poor girl is gonna hurt her back with those awful poses, and most importantly why was it a point of focus in a few scenes on the trailers? I gave hoyo the benefit of the doubt and they disappointed me

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     • That’s the first time I ever heard that lolies exist for future parents. 🙂 Guess that explains all the “adult stuff” for Nahida on Asian web sites.

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       • yeah they’re most definitely designed to aim at the pdf files anime fans, saying anything else just gives those weirdos and the weirdos at hoyo an excuse but if you use more than 2 brain cells it’s obvious what they really are.

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   • It impresses me that the only thought on your mind when it comes to liking is only…. sexual way…

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     • What people assume about a character says a lot about themselves

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       • There’s definitely some things that can be noticed without having any special interest in it but you guys tend to maintain the narrative that hoyo can’t do any wrong and any criticism must be wrong so there’s that.

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         • But this is a case of some on jumping to the conclusion, like most of us would look at this character been like a cute anime loli like looking at a kitten or puppy, but this guy just when child porn

   • you people are addicted to porn

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   • So people who watch Hannibal only watch it because they are psychopath? People who play GTA are car thieves?

     That’s like saying you don’t pull for Qiqi because you’re not necrophiliac or you don’t pull for Zhongli because you’re not into dilfs.

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   • “I like dogs. I think they are cute”

     Your logic: “he want to fuc dogs!”

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   • sanest American citizen:

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   • Nah she’s more than fine on the gameplay. Doesn’t need to rely on others for the mechanic, and the craftable Fontaine weapons that have the mechanic on them are really good anyway if you wanted to play into it.

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   • Mate go outside. Get off the internet and look for some help. If the first thing you think about when seeing kids is sexual thoughts that says more about you than anything else.

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   • what watching too much H does to mf

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   • You need to be put on a watch list, like right now.

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   • Aww, poor baby schizo is scared of people liking the drawing. Cry more.

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   • it’s funny, most of the comments making fun of op are probably lolicons themselves
     I’ve seen this happen over and over again, someone complains about lolibait, then lolicons come out with le epick own ecksdee™ accusing the person complaining of projecting and them being the porn addicts, when it is usually the opposite
     But anime and gacha fandoms are already some of the most degenerates on the planet (only losing to religion), so there’s not much we can do other than laugh since these weirdos are already on their safe space and will back up one another

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3. Quite surprised she’s a 5 Star at the same time when i saw her kit i knew Hoyo would NEVER make a 4 star have a kit that looks like a 5 star.Now i have to wait ANOTHER MONTH for Clorinde.Imo she’s an easy skip, majority of the characters we have are already good healers(Not saying she isn’t but many characters are good healers) Maybe in the future she will be reliable? other than that go for who you like.No one’s stopping you 🙂

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   • Honestly, for me, she’s also an easy skip, if I didn’t read her C2 lol. I know that may be whale, or patience territory lol, but that’s 35% hydro res decrease. She’ll be so good in Neuvillette teams.

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4. Is her healing range infinite like baizhu?Cause if so then hu tao mains have a new fear.(I will be the one torturing them ofc)

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   • noice, go for it bestie!!!

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   • noice, go for it bestie!!!

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   • My Hu Tao fears no heal.

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5. I wonder if the Res shred of C2 works off field? Because if it does, C2 can provide practically infinite Res shred against low enemy count that is only 5% lower than VV, a great addition to my ultimate lazy team /hj

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6. Chiori relies on Zhongli in 90% of her comp. no one bat an eye.
   Baizhu relies on Furina in 90% of his comp. no one bat an eye.
   Nilou relies on Nahida in 90% of her comp. no one bat an eye.
   Yae/Tighnari relies on each others to be good. no one bat an eye.
   All vape comp relies on Kazuha to be good. no one bat an eye.
   Freeze comp relies on Kazuha to be good. no one bat an eye.
   Mono comp relies on Kazuha to be good. no one bat an eye.
   Then suddenly, Sigewinne relies on Furina is a problem.

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   • Baizhu does not and never did rely on Furina.

     Yae and Tighnari have comps without each other. Wtf

     Vape has Kazuha, Venti and Sucrose if you need VV. Same with Freeze.

     I think you don’t understand what need means. Most of these characters can work well (Idk if Chiori or Nilou can) without having to be stapled to another character.

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     • If anything, Chiori “needs” Itto, but really any construct works at C0, and is no longer required at C1. Zhongli is the most obvious choice to do random double geo comps, exactly like Albedo used to, but you can also slap her alone with Noelle or Navia and still be one of their best options despite having no construct/C1.

       Nilou really doesn’t care so long as she has any reliable dendro whatsoever in her team. You can optimize the hell out of the comp with Baizhu/Nahida, but DMC/Collei/Yaoyao/Kirara/Kaveh aren’t a huge detriment since the biggest contribution to damage is Nilou’s HP.

       “Mono” wanting VV res shred being at all compared to Sigewinne is lol, lmao.

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   • Even at C0, Chiori would rather partner with Albedo over ZL for min-maxing, and once she hits C1 her ideal teammate becomes Navia, Itto, or even Noelle. Plenty of options.

     Baizhu is a healer/shielder first; yu don’t build a comp around him and he fits in on any dendro team that is constantly hurting itself.

     Nilou “works” with any pairing of non-Nahida dendro units as long as they can provide enough aura for spamming blooms. Nahida is just far and away the best because she’s outright leagues better than any other dendro character at giving aura and facilitating dendro reaction comps.

     Tighnari works with any good off-field electro giving him quicken aura. And if Yae “needs” anyone, it would be Fischl due to how absolutely perfect those two pair with each other.

     So many good options for spreading VV besides Kazuha. Just because he’s the best for mono due to his infuse boosting doesn’t mean he’s mandatory. And the best freeze comps still prefer Venti anyways because freeze gets rid of his weight weakness (OG Morgana comp still great).

     I don’t even know how we got to “Sigewinne needs Furina” in the first place. While Sigewinne’s team heal helps offset turret stance drain, that’s a Sigewinne helping Furina interaction, not the other way around, and it’s not even the best option. Meanwhile in the proper direction, there’s no specific synergy that Furina gives Sigewinne that she doesn’t also give to everyone else. She doesn’t improve Sigewinne’s healing. She doesn’t boost Sigewinne’s damage any more than she boosts the entire team’s damage. There’s no specific “Furina especially helps Sigewinne” interaction in there at all.

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     • It’s mostly because what kind of Sigewinne team wouldn’t use Furina? You could pair her with “any” off-field skill DPS, but why would they want Sigewinne specifically as their healer? And since she cannot afford to run a DMG goblet if you care at all about the skill buff, Furina lets her have her cake and eat it too. It’s a natural fit.

       Though Furina is in no way tied to Sigewinne, since she’s got options there.

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   • I think the main issue is that Sigewinne is kind of stuggling to find teams that aren’t double Hydro atm. It’s not even specifically Furina all of the time, either.

     Like, her Hydro application is pretty meager to encourage another Hydro in reaction teams, her Skill DMG buff seems to be lowered at C0 to balance out Golden Troupe + Furina’s Buff already being busted, and with the way her kit is set up C0R1 or C1R1 has room to dip into Sub DPS territory while still being a support (especially if Furina is around).

     It’s totally possible to just use her with Yelan/XQ as a SubDPS+Healer core, too. her skill is the only part of her kit that you need, so field time is potentially minimal. God forbid if your goal is Double Hydro Hyperbloom or National, the pairing is just too simple and effective as always. Furina ain’t the only Hydro Unit she can work with, but you can kind of see what kind of combo Hoyo had in mind when low investment builds are on the table.

     That’s why I’m aiming for C1R1 with HP/HP/HP + Crit Substats. Low ER probably, but bursting every other rotation is fine when said burst is nothing but an extra bit of damage, plus her healing will still be killer, plus her projected stats are still near the Skill DMG buff cap for supporting. And since her skill buff seems to be made for short On-field time (Sige Burst), it actually kind of fits? Unless the part about “Nearby Off-field Party Members” is just a writing fluke, Sigewinne being on-field for a few seconds until all of the stacks are used up seems to be “intended” to some extent.

     Im not gonna tackle the inaccuracies of “characters being reliant on (x)” because that’s just a collection of common knowledge Ls right there.

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   • this is the worst comment i have ever read

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   • She doesn’t even rely on Furina. You can have her as just a healer and she practically becomes a statue of the seven. Her healing on a pure hp/healing bonus build is so incredibly bonkers. My current build for her will heal all teammates 14k from just the first bounce of the bubble. The only ‘reliance’ is another hydro character for a small part of the many percentages that go into it from the resonance.

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   • bro is fucking livid how is baizhu a burst healer with shields and dendro elemental reaction dmg boost reliant on furina what the fuck, he’s literally the second best dendro after Nahida bc of how he greatly buffs dendro reactions

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7. I’m happy to see that Sigewinne’s elemental skill damage increase got buffed, but even then she still seems like the worst Fontaine 5* character. Perhaps I am overlooking something?

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   • I feel like the least they could do is make the Skill Boost stretch a little more. Individual boosts for each party member instead of everyone at once, maybe? Skill based units like Fischl will gobble up her boost in no time flat.

     And yes, Furina herself will be buffing on top of that if she’s around, but I don’t think a 5* should be so heavily tied to another 5*, especially since not everyone has/wants Furina. Just limits her capabilities when she isn’t around, which is doubly tough since her off-field Hydro isn’t exactly competing with Kokomi (ignoring Circle Impact concerns). Solo Hydro Sigewinne is just a bit sad to think about unless she’s a flex slot.

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     • I think Sigewinne was made to be a perfect hydro flex slot character. She has amazing healing and a semi strong burst. Her buff really should be percentage based instead of a flat number as it currently is, although since its a flat number someone quickly using all of it might be exactly how it was intended. At 65000 hp it will add 28k dmg spread over the next 10 skills. Really you want that gone as soon as possible, especially if it works like other stack buffs where it gets removed if she leaves the field.
       Since she’s a healer focused on hp she obviously wants to be the second hydro in a team for the 25% hp buff so the solo hydro issues shouldn’t happen often.
       Her application sucks but the shear amount of healing she can do far passes the likes of Kokomi (see my comment on this page for details on that) so she makes up for it.

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8. In a rough spot my sige-winners… could pull for Baizhu cons, Wanderer C0, and then there’s even Furina cons coming soon. I usually like new units over constellation hunting, but I wish Sige’s kit was tied together a little better. A few well placed tweaks could push her over the “OK but ultimately niche” barrier.

   If they keep her current middling kit and throw Chevy on her phase instead of Clorinde’s just to draw people to her banner… I’m going to be so upset. I’m not even planning on pulling Clorinde but it’s such a typical Hoyo move at this point.

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9. Isnt she pretty good in Nilou triple hydro? Did I miss something?
   Siggy have teamwide heal off field
   Furina can just build crit
   Nahida full em can on field and make bloom by herself since the others are hydro
   And no, Kokomi can’t do that. With Kokok either you will have only active character healed and lost Furina dmg or on field koko and lost Nahihi Application also cause dmg lost

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   • As someone who’s been running triple Hydro Nilou Bloom since Nahida came out because I wanted her to be the driver, and started using Furina very soon after her own release, the problem with that team is very poor for consistent off-field hydro application.

     Even in that 3x hydro situation with KKM as the healer, the off-field hydro isn’t rapid enough to offset Nahida’s dendro spam. Unless she’s outright hugging an enemy with Nilou’s E3 aura *and* said enemy is in KKM’s jellyfish range, Nahida will very quickly become the one setting up aura first, and the non-EM hydros will be triggering the blooms for like 20kish instead of the almost 60k of a Nahida bloom crit.

     I love Sigewinne lots, but while her off-field healing is better than KKM’s due to it being partywide, her hydro application is even worse: dropping KKM’s jellyfish for Sigewinne’s bubble means the off-field hydro application speed for that team is almost zero. Nahida will easily overpower all three of them with her AA spam.

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     • How about replace Furina with XQ
       Nilou, XQ, KKM and Nahi used to be top speedrun so can Nilou, XQ, Siggy, Nahi at least comparable

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       • The hydro might be better like that because then it’s mostly XQ doing the work, but the particle gen from Sigewinne will be lower than KKM (unless using FavBow over KKM’s usual TTDS) so XQ might need a bit more ER than normal.

         Still possible/feasible though, perhaps.

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       • I’ve managed to prefarm everything for her so far except the common mob drop because hundreds and hundreds of those damn things, but I really don’t know what to start farming for her artifacts.

         As a healer with an offensive lean, the natural pick would be OHC, but Sige’s slow rate of healing means that the 4pc bubble pop is only going to have value from one, *maybe* two pulses of healing. Meanwhile SoDP is just generally a weaker OHC (though with the six second ‘charge’ time, maybe Sige would like the weak option better just because she can record more pulses per use).

         Alternatively, the only other thing I can think of would be 2pc/2pc with HP%/HP% or HP%/Hydro%. But 2pc/2pc never feels good over a full set effect.

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       • With the fact Sigewinne buffs the hits of off field E skill and that is Furina pets that would be a larger loss going to Xingqiu. Need to consider Furina pets still hits like a truck and can even out pace the damage Yelan with equal investment can do.

         I prefer a double hydro double dendro team so I can use a hydro to get ownership on the vast majority of all the blooms. Nilou, Barbara, Nahida, Baizhu. With Barbara on a full EM set her healing becomes too low to out heal self bloom damage so Baizhu picks up the healing and his burst makes you feel far more tanky too. Barbara E skill also has a fun interaction on applying hydro which allows me to stagger application between different enemies which allows to waste less bloom hits due to bloom ICD. I have been seeing over 86k blooms off my Barbara as a result and she gets 2/3 to 3/4ths ownership on all the blooms.

         As for Sigewinne I am thinking of building her for her elemental skill buff and making good use of that with Furina, Chiori, Yae Miko, etc. Today is the day that Baizhu rerun banner starts and I am about 210 wishes saved. I am skipping everything till Sigewinne so I will see how many wishes I got then.

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         • The main thing to remember there is that Sigewinne’s E damage buff only lasts for ten hits total, not per person. Each Furina’s three turrets would take up one of those hits every attack, and Nahida’s own E procs will chew through the rest. Even Nilou will steal some if she’s used after Sigewinne’s bubble comes out.

           At base C0, she caps at 2800 per hit, so across ten hits that’s an added 28000 damage. While that’s a nice chunky “crit” hit by DPS standards for basically free, it’s still possible/likely that a properly built Yelan/XQ outdoes it over the duration of a Q (like if fighting a beefy boss or domain) just due to how fast the team will eat Sigewinne’s stacks, which she can only reapply every 20 seconds minimum (18s for the CD plus the time to fully charge it).

           If getting C1, that makes it a bit more palatable, since that’s now a 3500 cap, and she gets eight extra uses of the buff, making the grand total a very respectable 63,000 damage for ‘free’, *if* one can get her to 65,000 HP. Doesn’t fix her poor hydro application rate and purely damage focused Burst, though.

         • I will add that is all assuming single target. If Crabaletta and Nahida hit multiple enemies, then Sigewinne’s buff could be entirely expended in less than a second.

10. Horrible! Why add such a bastard to the game?

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