266 responses to “Sigewinne”

1. She looks like a Bennet replacement for elemental skill damage dealers. She is the best healer and has a temporary ATK bonus for elemental skills. Still her skill has a long CD.

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   • It is all fun and game until you read the fine print of the Buff, finding out HOW HIGHLY RESTRICTIVE and LIMITED it is.

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2. The damage calculator simulations lookin’ kinda nice for my Furina Sigewinne teams tbh. Furina (with Kazuha and a 4pc Petra Geo) can reach around 100k skill damage while Sigewinne can go for 20-40k Burst damage while still healing a ton. wish that skill buff would last more than a few hits, but oh well. Another healer for the Healer Main agenda, regardless.

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   • You know who can do 20-40K dmg and even more in Burst while healing a ton? Jean.

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     • considering he already has kazuha in the team… jean is completely redundant

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3. best chara ingame after qiqi and dehya

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   • tru, i cant wait to see the skill vape dmg from her bubbles.

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     • Her Hydro application is almost inexistant…
       Missed opportunity to have an actual decent Hydro Shield.

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       • So sad that it takes C2 to get a shield that stops as soon as her E/Q end or she’s swapped out.

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4. She will be good without that stupid quota.

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5. Sigewinne is getting so much bad rep and neglect from the player base but I have run numbers myself based on my artifacts, the recurve bow and hydro resonance with the stats here and found out that she is actually the best healer in the game. My proof and build is as follows;
   Max hp% bonus; 28.8% (ascension stat) + 46.9% (recurve bow) + 25% (hydro resonance) + 14% + 15.2% + 46.6% + 46.6% + 21% (my artifacts) = 244.1%. A 3.441x multiplier to her max hp of 13348 which equals 45930.468
   Then the flat hp from my artifacts; 4780 + 598 + 418 + 478 = 6274 making her max hp now 52204.468.
   Her full charged skill heals 6.65% + 5% + 5% = 16.65% on the first bounce then loses the extra 5%s over 2 bounces. With just the first bounce, it heals 16.65% of 52204.468 = 8692 + 851.67 (a flat bonus from the skill) = 9541
   My healing bonus from artifacts is 50.9% (15% from set bonus and 35.9 from a main stat). 9541 x 1.509 = 14297
   14297 Total healing from just the first bounce of the skill. Keep in mind all 3 teammates get the whole 14297hp instantly at the same time.
   She instantly completes ocean-hued clams 30k needs.
   The fact people think she sucks is ridiculous considering she might as well be a statue of the seven.

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   • Are you using level 15 calculations for this….?

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     • Sigewinne and recurve bow are lvl 90

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       • And her skills are lvl 15 in these calculations. I can run some for lvl 10

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         • with lvl 10 talents it is 12742 healing with my artifacts. So not even a 2k difference

         • Still very impressive cant wait to see her healing when i get her.

   • Me being my brain-dead self used talent lvl 15 stats for this. It literally means nothing tho as lvl 10 has a stat of 5.04% not 6.65%, its not even a 2k difference in the healing between 10 and 15 and still makes more than 30k for clam. I apologise for the mistake and can confirm nothing else is wrong here.

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   • The main problem for comparisons here is that her Q doesn’t heal at all. Her E is way better than Baizhu or Kokomi’s E (including all party members), but factor in their Q as well and Sigewinne has less overall healing.

     It’s also a tradeoff to give Sige Healing Bonus instead of triple HP, because her buff caps at 65k HP, not 50k like Baizhu, and she doesn’t gain a damage boost from it like Kokomi.

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     • Yeah I know about the trade of HP for healing but considering an extra 25% HP (HP% is a substat unlike healing which on that piece I have 21%) on top of the 244 she already has isn’t as valuable as 35.9% healing bonus on the 15% with the set bonus. Sigewinne will primarily be a healer with a small ‘buff’ from using the heals and since the buff is so small anyway you don’t lose out on anything really if you forget about it. Her underwater healing thank god it a flat 50% so that wont be changed but her burst losing out on damage is a slight issue. But considering she’s a healer that burst is more than enough dealing 11k every tick.
       The most value will be the healing bonus piece just like most healers, its a shame it nerfs the rest of her kit but if you run her in a flex slot it doesn’t matter.

       As for comparing e to q. A healer with an e and q that heal would heal way more than 12k, However that 12k comes from just the first bounce of the bubble. The next bounce would heal 8k then 4k and stay at that 4k. With Baizhu you could probably expect around 33k healing from q and e whereas with Sigewinne you could get around 28k from her e . If you get c1 which isn’t a tall order, the first 4 bounces would do 12k before it starts to decrease with an extra 3 bounces. That jumps her healing from 28k to 68k whereas Baizhu only gets a few thousand extra.
       So at c0, ignoring the burst doing lots of damage, Sigewinne is technically worse for healing but if you can get c1 which isn’t that hard it’s not even close.
       And its not like I’m being annoying with the c1 like if c2 made Baizhu stronger or whatever, none of Baizhus cons come close to beating Sigewinnes c1

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       • Just as a note, it’s not fair to be expecting constellations for 5*s for the vast majority of the playerbase. 4*s are one thing because they’ll slowly just come over time, but for the vast majority of players, going beyond C0 for a non-standard 5* is a pipe dream reserved for whales, meta chasers, and favoritists. So saying ‘C1 isn’t even that hard’ is something well beyond what most players would ever see.

         When talking about 5* performances it’s always proper to go in assuming/calculating things just with C0, at least in the main body of the discussion.

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         • Yeah that’s fair I guess. I just said about it because its such a drastic increase.
           Although people like me who only pull for the characters they like (with that not even being half the roster) it is much easier to get the first cons, but I totally get your point.

       • Uh, are you sure the larger bubbles get 5-10% of her max HP as additional healing, rather than… just 1.05~1.1x more than usual? Which would be like 4.4k, rather than 12k on a single bounce.

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         • This statement is correct, at least as written now:

           “Each tier it grows increases its DMG by 5% and healing by 5%”

           A 5/10% increase of what the bubble would have healed normally, not an additional 5/10% of her stats added on.

         • In every case in the game where a stat is added like this it goes off of the base stat of the character and not the current stat. Like for example the millelith set increasing atk by 20%. It adds it like if it were an artifact instead of increasing the already buffed stat by 20%.
           It is practically guaranteed that it will work how I explained it should because everything else does the same thing.

         • @Pickle Rick I can’t reply to your last comment there for some reason so I’m doing it here.

           Your example is apples and oranges. TotM’s 4pc effect is a buff based off of the recipient’s base attack, yes. It is a modifier that applies directly to the character being buffed and calculates its effect off the proper stat. That’s how buffs work.

           But the increase to damage and healing from holding Sigewinne’s E is not a buff to a character. The wording *specifically* states that the larger bubble increases “its” dmg/heal by 5% per level (up to twice). Not 5% of *Sigewinne’s HP* increase per level. Very specifically the *bubble’s base value* by 5% per, otherwise it would have said “increases the damage and healing by 5% of Sigewinne’s maximum HP per level.”

           This means that The increase from holding E for a bigger bubble does not apply to Sigewinne’s base stats, it applies to the base numbers of the bubble itself; only the base bubble uses Sigewinne’s stats for calculation. And whatever number that comes out to for the base bubble, *that* is the number that gets increased by 5% per charge level. It is not a sudden triple increase from the base bubble’s value.

         • Reminds me of Diona’s held E boosting her shield by 75%. It isn’t +75% Shield Strength (on the stat page), it just makes her shield 75% better. It also stacks multiplicatively with her C2 that also makes her shield 15% better. No, it’s not 90%, like you’d expect from almost every buff in the game being additive, it’s 101.25% better overall. Whatever the shield would be like with Tenacity or Bolide buffs, vs cryo damage or otherwise, doesn’t matter, hold E with C2 and it’s twice as good. Not +101.25% better, 2.0125x better.

           And certainly not +101.25% of Diona’s HP.

           Also if Sigewinne got “a stat added” it would be Healing Bonus, so dunno where you got the HP thing from.

         • @Emerald Usakaza That would make some sense I suppose. It seemed odd that the bubble healing increasing like that would have made her talent level useless. I wish It could have been more specific instead of just saying 5% but whatever. The value with all this in mind heals 5350 to each character with the first bounce and a total of 25k to each teammate with the skill. The new calculations being: 5.04% of max HP + 593 (flat bonus) = 3224, x 1.1/1.05/1 (the 5%s)= 3546/3385/3224. Then x1.509 (healing bonus) = 5351/5108/4865. 5351+5108+(4865×3) = 25k. Feel free to check that as it being so close to what I had before is weird even though the calculation is heavily changed.
           With c1 this would make her total healing be (5351×4)+5108+(4865×3) = 35.7k.
           This is all still without her max of 30% extra healing bonus from having BoL which she maxes out by just picking up the 2 droplets she creates. This buffs her up to a total of 49.3k with c1 following the same calculations just with the 1.509 being 1.809 for the 30% increase. It could be more than this but I assume the increase to outgoing healing to mean normal healing %.
           This amount still is far too much for anyone to ever need without the chunkiest of Neuvilettes.
           Not as op as the 65k+ from before but still out healing the likes of Baizhu.

   • Brother, when a unit only heals and barely does anything else we call that Qiqi. She’s not quite there because of her very limited hydro app + furina synergy, but she certainly isn’t far. Clam is not flex tape.

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     • Qiqi is bad because she barely heals and needs to be on field to do so. The same thing was said about Kokomi around her launch and look at where she is now. A new character shouldn’t be called a Qiqi just because people don’t understand their usefulness. Instead those people should either wait to see what they can do or do what I am doing and see for themselves exactly how good they are.
       Sigewinne requires almost no field time and can be in almost any team because she will find it incredibly hard to mess up reactions. For damage yes she’s bad but she’s a healer not a DPS/sub DPS.
       If you don’t like her then don’t pull for her. You shouldn’t come to a website meant for builders and theory crafters to talk about characters and talk trash on characters you don’t understand while calling us all copers.

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       • What are you even talking about, Qiqi has the highest raw healing output in the game. Your on fielder will be full health the whole time her marks are up, which has near full uptime with enough ER and spacing out her A4 passive. Just hit Q, or if it’s not up, do 1-3 NAs, that’s it, no further field time required unless you feel like it. Sigewinne’s Q takes longer than that, plus even more if you bother charging her E (I don’t think it’s worth it).

         And just like Sigewinne, she has crappy elemental application so she “fits any team without messing up reactions” lmao.

         Let’s forget the only reason Kokomi is at all considered worthwhile is because of her hydro app, but okay. Taking her as a pure healer is a terrible idea, especially an off-field one. That is exactly why Qiqi sucks, and Sigewinne looks just as bad unless they, like Kokomi, sneak some last minute changes in during preload.

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         • 1. qiqi heals only the onfield character unless you waste field time spamming normals on a marked enemy. also no energy gen
           2. sigewinne’s quills provide higher damage contribution to sub dps units like furina than kokomi can. no one is running sigewinne in teams where her hydro app matters, they’re running her to buff off field damage like furina in forward vape comps

   • Who use lvl 15 calculations? Delulu is not the solulu!

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     • I didn’t read the levels and assumed that the highest stats would be the highest achievable ones because there is no reason to list above above lvl 13 but apparently HHW doesn’t like making sense.

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6. She should’ve been a 4 star…

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   • Remember DEEZ Nuts?

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7. easiest skip since klee
   loli material for sick minds, unless you’re 16 already and then it’s fine for me
   but for old players something like this is horrendous, not to mention cringe syringe gameplay
   finally some primo saving!

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   • what? no, characters like klee, yao yao, an her are directed at parents, womens and some people who like the idea of having a kid, lil sister etc, like stop projecting that hard lol, also they are not even using weird clothes like other gachas do, if people say they like them is nothing wrong, is wrong that your mind redirect you to think is in a weird way, says more about you than them

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     • I get what you mean but to be fair a high percent of the ‘loli’ characters do have either very short skirts/pants, show more skin than the average character, and/or have those stretching animations where for some reason they moan a lot, so they’re most definitely designed aiming at a certain audience, it’s disingenuous to say otherwise.

       Sigewinne is not an offender on those aspects tho.

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     • That’s the first time I ever heard that lolies exist for future parents. 🙂 Guess that explains all the “adult stuff” for Nahida on Asian web sites.

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       • yeah they’re most definitely designed to aim at the pdf files anime fans, saying anything else just gives those weirdos and the weirdos at hoyo an excuse but if you use more than 2 brain cells it’s obvious what they really are.

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   • It impresses me that the only thought on your mind when it comes to liking is only…. sexual way…

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     • What people assume about a character says a lot about themselves

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       • There’s definitely some things that can be noticed without having any special interest in it but you guys tend to maintain the narrative that hoyo can’t do any wrong and any criticism must be wrong so there’s that.

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         • But this is a case of some on jumping to the conclusion, like most of us would look at this character been like a cute anime loli like looking at a kitten or puppy, but this guy just when child porn

   • you people are addicted to porn

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   • So people who watch Hannibal only watch it because they are psychopath? People who play GTA are car thieves?

     That’s like saying you don’t pull for Qiqi because you’re not necrophiliac or you don’t pull for Zhongli because you’re not into dilfs.

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   • “I like dogs. I think they are cute”

     Your logic: “he want to fuc dogs!”

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   • sanest American citizen:

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   • Nah she’s more than fine on the gameplay. Doesn’t need to rely on others for the mechanic, and the craftable Fontaine weapons that have the mechanic on them are really good anyway if you wanted to play into it.

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   • Mate go outside. Get off the internet and look for some help. If the first thing you think about when seeing kids is sexual thoughts that says more about you than anything else.

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   • what watching too much H does to mf

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   • You need to be put on a watch list, like right now.

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8. Quite surprised she’s a 5 Star at the same time when i saw her kit i knew Hoyo would NEVER make a 4 star have a kit that looks like a 5 star.Now i have to wait ANOTHER MONTH for Clorinde.Imo she’s an easy skip, majority of the characters we have are already good healers(Not saying she isn’t but many characters are good healers) Maybe in the future she will be reliable? other than that go for who you like.No one’s stopping you 🙂

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   • Honestly, for me, she’s also an easy skip, if I didn’t read her C2 lol. I know that may be whale, or patience territory lol, but that’s 35% hydro res decrease. She’ll be so good in Neuvillette teams.

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9. Is her healing range infinite like baizhu?Cause if so then hu tao mains have a new fear.(I will be the one torturing them ofc)

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   • noice, go for it bestie!!!

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   • noice, go for it bestie!!!

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   • My Hu Tao fears no heal.

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10. I wonder if the Res shred of C2 works off field? Because if it does, C2 can provide practically infinite Res shred against low enemy count that is only 5% lower than VV, a great addition to my ultimate lazy team /hj

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