1,689 responses to “Arlecchino”

1. Characters before: here’s the full kit! Constellations are just damage increases, maybe additional QoL and C6 is a huuge damage increase that maybe changes your playstyle.

   Characters now: here’s your character! They come with energy problems and weird restrictions. Oh and we took a part of their base kit and put them into constellations hehe. Speaking of constellations, they solve your energy problems and weird restrictions. Isn’t that great? Their weapon helps you solve energy problems too so pull for it hehe

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   • Uhh… Arle has none of it. Neither gameplay-changing constellations, nor “too strong” BiS. C1 is just a damage buff and interruption res, which she don’t need, because she’s a NA user which stance is tied to amount of hits, not to time. C2 is just a nuke, interesting, but not game- changing in terms of her gameplay. Compared to Neuvilette, her constellations are NOT important, because Nevi’s C1 gives you interruption Res (much more important as for long CA user) and ability to reach three stacks in his BIS pack with Furina, which is a huge damage boost and a relief for perfectionists.
     And her BiS… Was must-have before, but now it is now. I heard it even loses to some other spears in certain conditions.

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   • characters in the future: here’s your character, c1 unlocks skill, c2 unlocks ult, c4 solves er, c6 gives dmg.

     white knights as always : 🤡🤡🤡

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   • ver 1.0 – 1.2 characters: full kit (maybe a bit awkward but it works in general) and absolutely useless constellations, giving the Arknights potential vibe (or worse, remember Xiao’s def up)

     ver 1.3 – 2.0 characters: your description of characters before

     Dehya

     ver 4.1: just hope character won’t get cut into constellations

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2. Guys, you seem to misunderstand something or else I don’t know why should they nerf her. Hoyos have no reason to make her weak. She antisynergizes with furina, she can’t vape normally. You are the ones who shouted something like “Xianyun is bad!” on every corner. The calcs are wrong, because you miss the fact she doesn’t need to use all 20 hits. She can do something like “E-swap-q-E – fast CA – 7 hits (or the amount she’s able to do in 5 seconds) – CA – 6-7 more hits – repeat. E CD shred is important. Also, she can’t lose her stance other way than ult or hitting during the stance, she can be used in some fast rotation comps. Genshin characters are hard to calculate, I’m almost sure you all are wrong somewhere, and I won’t even try to calculate myself, because it’s worthless. Hoyos know what they’re doing. Why don’t we trust them? The last “bad” character is Dehya, but she was designed to fail. Now they are trying to make her not another “press e and NA to win” character, but something you’ll be had to use timings and game sense on.

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   • “E-swap-q-E – fast CA + whatever you said”

     Do you know that now her Q remove both mark&BOL right? This rotation is brick because she will only get 40 BOL from CA. Don’t even think about the damage

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     • Q does not remove marks. don’t lie.
       You doomposters are going too far.

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     • BTW, rotation I mentioned is really not working. But you can just press CA before using second E and absorb the first portion of BoL
       You can even be not on field during the second debt charge and just wait, coming on field with 200%+ BoL afterwards. Yeah, it takes 10+ seconds to charge, but in that case she’s going to dish out monstrous dps because her buff from bol has no cap. Sounds not that bad now? I think that is the case and the target of all these changes, to make her a damage dealer who’ll be able to charge her rotation and then go insane.

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   • ok How dare you call Dehya bad. She is invincible… Dehya is actually pretty good with Chevreuse in the overload archetype. xiangling is what you’d go for if looking for off fielder, but a dual carry Dehya with Raiden is pretty great.

     often times, when facing against elemental innate enemies that would love to melt or vaporize your team since you use Bennett with chevreuse, you’ll either get one shot or be on life support until Bennett heals again. but enemies got no icd so they full blasting you with multiple hydro or cryo attacks is where Dehya’s dmg mitigation saves the day.

     Bennett is a double edged sword. dehya basically bruised up one edge of it so it isn’t double edged anymore so you can stop worrying about what Hydro Tulpa, Coppelia, or a Vivianne/Ninianne is gonna do next to obliterate you.

     dehya’s damage in overload isn’t bad, but not as high as in her vape teams. against enemy AoE, she is better than Xiangling because less overloads overall and she chases enemies. I am able to keep up to pace with a Deianeira local legend that I keep tossing around.

     Raiden-Dehya carry solves Dehya’s energy issues, ramps up her burst damage, and provides pyro application for Raiden, even if not as much as Xiangling, but it’s not like you need to overload that often, especially since overload with Chevreuse is double edged.

     So Dehya is getting improved once again. this shows that Hoyo is taking baby steps to improving Dehya, although by indirect methods than a direct buff or tinkering to Dehya’s kit.

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     • You’re either trolling, or have a really big crush on her. But Dehya really can be used and most of your takes are true, but the fact is, most players on high abysses have a dodging and positioning skill.

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       • They’re trolling, look at their name

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     • dehya is the only character that can die off field. and mine has, many times.

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3. Two things are infinite: the universe and hoyoshit stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.

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4. now now more nerfs just means more brain power it would take to pull what those boring characters do easily ain’t that right idiots? GLHF with your brainy subject.

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5. Looking much better than Neuv the terrible abysmal with ugliest design and most boring gameplay ever since Ganyu

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   • dont badmouth my goat!

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6. Despite all the hubbub about calculations and rotations, I am excited to try her out come her banner. Purely for something interesting. At the end of the day, Genshin remains a largely single-player experience. Your account is self-cultivated for your liking, whether that is being a slave to spreadsheet impact or a stalwart defender of something like DPS Diona. So, I hope all pullers have fun, and I hope all skippers have fun as well!

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   • True and real, based etc, and true way of how all of the people should percieve this game.
     But to be blunt and fair, i and many other still wana shit on hoyo, reasonably so cause they’r a bunch of scurdges, incapable of taking feedback and reacting accordingly to anything. Dehya’s N1 is still doesent has a hitbox 70% of the time, and we wont even talk about her overall performance (ult targeting is still ass).
     And o casuals praise no powercreep… BUT Powercreep still happened in the guise of XL, XQ overpowereing every other fun comp we had in 1.0 versions. And HYV raised the floors for damage checks of abyss accordingly over that, and the then denrdo floor raise. That completely vaporized mall of my underperfoming teams that i 36* with for fun… You cant even take em to 12.1 now. (muh Razor is dead, Lisa is dead, ch yn, etc.) And here i dont get why they dont UPP the complete garbage characters, and forgone the phys carries, and rework all them garbage chars. (i get it cause they printing new, and dont want to invest in past shit that wont sell anyhow) But it def would make the game more variable fun and healthy, and make whinnies like me STFU.

     You baited the big tangent out of me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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     • I appreciate you for taking the time to share your thoughts. It doesn’t sound like you’re having an enjoyable time, sorry about that. Hope your days are good enough to at least balance that out.

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7. Her current state is awful. She went from Mid-tier to below in just 2 damn patches. Buffing her Signature does not change the fact that Arlecchino herself is pretty weak as a single target Pyro unite. Basically, switchable Cyno 2.0. You need a crazy amount of supporters to make her work. Cyno is the same, he needs a bunch of well build supporters to make him work, otherwise he is just an awful DPS.

   Not much time is left for her release, and the devs are still struggling with her balance. She is not even near Hu Tao! But hey since white knights are ready to C6 or C2 regardless, they will keep releasing such characters. We had the same issue with Dehya. People tried to bring awareness, but they did not listen.
   Such a sad state to be in right now, since she could be so much more and so much better. I do not beg her to be like Neuvillette, but at least make her equally strong as Hu Tao. Right now, she is not even near Hu Tao level of DPS. Her kit is weird and is a mess.

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   • “I do not beg her to be like Neuvillette” – awww. please do. everyone should dream big😏.

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   • i mean, unlike cyno or xiao, she won’t have glaring energy issues to even use her in the overworld, which for me, Cyno and Xiao having to use their Bursts to even play is very bad, i hate using those two in the overworld and be forced to just NA spam them, because i don’t want to waste their bursts on a bunch of hilichurls

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   • chill out d(c)oomposter. wait until her release before whining that your mom told you to clean your room. For all your elementary calculation, she could be Navia 2.0

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8. Guys, do you know the calcs after last change ?

   IIRC, before change, Arle made Yoimiya irrelevant since she was very powerful even in single target. Now, is she more balanced for ST scenarios ?
   I understand she is still a beast in AoE and that’s a good thing, Pyro AoE is really lacking options.

   I hope the best for you all for Arlecchino, but I admit if she can be balanced to not completly overshadow Yoimiya in ST, i’ll be happy.

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   • If the current leaks are legit and the current ult remains as it is, she not only loses to Yoimiya in single target, but she loses to everyone else too.

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     • Arf, this is that bad ? Kinda dramatic, when we know where they started… xO I hope they will balance her more for V3-V4, to be close to Yoi lvl for ST and even more viable in AoE. You all deserve a cool character to enjoy ! (and my best friend too xD)

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       • Tbf we don’t even know the exact NA nerfs yet
         This could still go anywhere

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         • I doubt it. Right now she performs poorly and this is WITHOUT the nerfs they have done on her NA. If they not buff her or reverse some stupid changes, we might have a very underwhelming DPS. No not Dehya level, but just kinda bad.

         • Actually I didn’t believe blood debut due is still cap at 70% BoL in V4 while Max comes up to 130% BoL. Not comparing with other characters, I just compared Arle herself. In multiple enemies environment (>2), her DPS on single target will be 70% higher than those in single enemy environment.

           The leak itself didn’t provide complete information.

       • The thing is, Yoimiya already loses to other pyro chars that can do AoE as well. So restricting Arle to Yoimiya DPS is already bad really when she’s more restrictive, takes longer to set up and has fewer team options.

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     • You are a fake nice commenter, I read everything of you since beginning of beta. You are not different from doomposters you began worshipping her, continued criticizing people who didn’t understand your numbers and now you are doomposting her. This one 🤡 has fallen from you.

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       • If you didn’t understand,Yeah I’m talking about you Reina

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         • I do numbers and calcs myself, before she was good, now she’s not. Just because i see the numbers and am disappointed does not make me a “doomposter”.

           At best she is Keqing level of DPS. Which is to say, terrible.

         • An accusation has been made! Will Perceval expose Reina’s dark secret? Tune in next episode for the thrilling conclusion!

         • Lol, plz. Unless Perceval21 wants to try to counter my calcs with their own (Which they can’t.) They have no leg to stand on and are just high on copium. As i said, i hope things turn out different come Monday, but as things stand Arle does 220k unbuffed per E and can do 2 in a row if you Q but this isn’t a consistent line up. 440k is literally Keqing level, my Keqing can do over 550k per rotation unbuffed but she’s C5 and is pretty well built overall.

           There is a difference between saying the reality of the situation and blindly doomposting. You know i know the kit, you know i do calcs. Unless anyone can counter them, i’m done here.

9. Weird, haven’t seen a – “She is meant for 5.x “- yet.

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   • She is meant for me

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   • guess it’s after release drama

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   • That’s cause she’s meant for 7.4

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10. why would you even care about banner sales now. just pull and play your thing and be happy she’s playable. weren’t you too excited getting a new thing with a kit written in Fischl that requires ton of real brain power to drive. It’s really funny how these white knights attack someone for saying they play only Xiangling comp as it is boring easy, then they also cry in the comments when their subject gets fucked up by nerf after nerf. I mean nerfs are better, aren’t they? cause you will need even more BRAIN POWER to pull off what OP easy to play boring characters can do without breaking a sweat.

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    • No we (or I) want characters who are interesting and are actually powerful when played skillfully
      Look at another HyV game and it’s newest character Boothill, he performs terribly when played without a brain, but destroys bosses when used correctly

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    • There is no argument where anything you said makes any logical sense, how you came to conclusions of “be happy she’s playable” and “nerfs are better” is baffling. Not even going to get into the fact that you’re effectively “white knighting” for HYV while going after “white knights” who have actual standards for new units and are disappointed with how this unit is being dragged down needlessly.

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