967 responses to “Navia”

1. ok, if her E is not those anticipated 553*11, she is very mid and will be trashed by community. Yoimiya level trashing at best case, Dehya at worst.

   List of problems:
   – squishy = zhongli must have -> Zhongli is always dps loss with exception of synergetic cases where multishred is good or you need to maintain low HP on carry
   – split passive – her main dps comes from E it seems, but passive buffs NA/CA lol
   – new geo set is lame unless they buff it, and with damage spread over all kit she cant use emblem or golden troupe or NA/CA sets
   – doesnt synergize with top tier supports
   – need to pickup crystallize shards… as person who tried to make Petra work a lot, I can say it is pointless. Time spent for gathering crystals is too much of dps loss to bother with it. And her aimed gathering will take time too.
   – nothing to abuse. If you look at all modern top meta units, or even pre-top ones, they are all abusing something.. dendro, conversions, reactions, unique icds, artifact sets, sacrificial weapons, HP or EM focus scalings…. she has nothing to abuse and her passive is laughable +40% atk for unit whose best support will be clearly Bennett..
   – doesnt give ANYTHING to the team

   I like her and hope I am wrong, but for any meta player it is enough a quick peek into her datasheet to realize that unless there is something hidden and broken OP in how she works (like 553*11), she is mediocre at best. I doubt she’ll be able to beat Itto too, as Itto is tanky AF

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   • So a few things
     zhongli- She’s geo, she wants to be shielded anyways for the geo res bonus
     also what do you mean “squishy”? Like hp? She has average hp tho. So I’m going to assume you mean doesn’t build def, which is only like 2 on field dps
     Split passive- its so you can actually onfield but I mean if you want a hyper focus on one thing character I guess that’s what you want
     Artifact sets- if you are using her as solely a E bot troupe isn’t that bad, just switch in E and switch out and even then the fact she has geo infuse means she can produce crystals pretty fast and keep up the 40% geo bonus from the new set
     and for the crystals, you don’t even need to really worry bout picking them up, Hold E sucks up nearby ones, tho crystals still have the problem of being terrible to pick up on large enemies

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     • Squishy – yes, no HP or DEF scaling, no interruption resistance, i.e. you MUST use Zhongli, no Gorou or Albedo or future Chiori.
       Using Zhongli means you wont be able to use Furina, as she needs group wide healer, but such healer will be an overkill with Zhongli, not to mention nobody from them generates that much energy. If Navia had HP manipulation it will be another story and you’ll be able to stack Furina with Yelan and have a smooth comp.

       Split passive means we dont have any amplification multiplier and the only saving grace is if that multiplier will be in-built into E, but Mihoyo has strict standards for base multipliers, so it wont happen. Troupe buff falls out quickly, it is clearly set for off-field characters.

       Basically you are locked into Navia-Zhongli-Bennett base and little to none flexibility for last slot as that last unit simply wont recharge unless it is somebody like Yelan.
       I am not saying she will be unplayable, but she is flawed synergy-wise on the kit level in game where synergy is must have for optimal comp performance.

       Now compare her to Nevi, who has x1.6 multiplier and 30% hydro damage as passive instead of 40% atk and 40% NA/CA, who has HP manipulation and access to 33% CR set and Furina buffs.. who has range and dont need to pick up anything with “aimed E” as hydro orbs are generated by E and Q and automatically picked up, exactly by 3… and look at Navia who will first need to proc crystallize multiple time before shooting first E..

       She is completely outdated gameplay wise and can only be saved by either full revamp (like happened with Jingliu) or crazy base multipliers. Pre-calcs show that she MUST launch those 11*553% shots to be competitive while from description it is clear she will only have 2 shots per target at max stacks.

       TL;DR we have Fontaine character, balanced by pre-Inazuma standards, who doesnt work with her own region mechanics, has no interruption resistance, no synergy with anybody, no unique mechanics, crystallize based with all the known downsides of crystallize.
       Just a complete utter PoS worse then Dehya (as that one at least has support function and ton of HP, interruption resistance and self-heal) and Yoimiya (who is braindead AA-turret and boss slayer).

       If you plan to use Bennett-Zhongli-Yelan/XQ as base just pick Yoimiya and get same or more dps without crystallize dependency.

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       • I think you’re worried too much about the Zhongli thing. Zhongli normally is a DPS loss but when applied to geo resonance and a character who wants interruption to be a non issue, he’s perfectly fine as far as DPS, he just goes about it by buffing the main DPS instead of directly. In this case, it’d be like saying Bennett is a DPS loss to use because his personal damage is low.

         Being squishy? Also irrelevant, that applies to most main DPS in the game, she’s no more or less squishy than the average character. Regardless, Zhongli fixes that issue.

         Split passive/skill spam can’t spam infinitely and her NA infusion is short. 9s cd on skill + 2 charges can be held at a time, and only a 4s geo infusion. Use skill – NA for 4s – use skill again – NA for 4s – burst – cycle support/sub DPS, go back to Navia and repeat.

         Team flexibility, there’s tons. Furina? She works even with the HP manipulation, but if you want an extra healer, just use Bennett for buff + heal paired with Furina. Energy issues? Yae/fishl are good choices. Several other options thanks to probably the only slight “benefit” I guess of crystallize being that it works equally with any element, so any effective off field applicator for Pyro/hydro/cryo/electro is equally effective. Might even finally be a decent use case for electro charged setup to keep reapplying electro and extra DoT damage.

         Picking up crystals. She’s a melee fighter, she’ll be upfront most of the time on the enemy who triggers the reaction, they shouldn’t be hard to pick up(on top of this I’m pretty sure holding her skill pulls in all crystals in the area)

         “Laughable 40% atk buff” bro? 40% is huge? Especially considering that modifier is being applied to(if nothing changes) the highest base attack character in the entire game since launch. If she had split scaling like Hu Tao or Itto, then yeah 40% atk wouldn’t be as big cause their atk scaling is taken down a bit to account for their HP/Def scaling. Navia though? She’s fully scaling off atk, that increase is huge. Plus assuming you bring Zhongli, extra damage buff while shielded.

         Nothing to abuse. This generally true with Geo, which is why they cranked up her atk power. In theory, she herself is the mechanic she’s abusing through straight up brute force.

         All of this said, I don’t necessarily think she’s op, she’s just a really good character. Definitely up to a relatively Meta level at worst, and potentially a true top tier geo DPS at best. Numbers will change, and more will be learned between now and release most likely that may change this though but she’s by no means weak on paper based on this info

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   • Bruh, her hold Skill is basically Neuvillette’s gathering of Sourcewater droplets, and also like Gorou’s magnetism, so shouldn’t be problematic collecting crystallize shards.

     Also, I don’t think Bennett will be her best when she will have highly inflated base atk. The Unforged and her Signature has incredibly high base atk, and Naiva already has highest base atk in game. You will also only have one character applying elements so crystallize can be produced.

     I can see Navia abusing shields so she can kill enemies in point blank range. Navia mostly is in need of dmg bonuses instead. Her artifact set isn’t as gnarly as Husk of Opulent Dreams which has a more reliable condition to meet. Also, geo resonance is the best resonance in the game. it has its own res shred, and straight dmg bonus to affected character with shield.

     I dunno why you’d want to double down on shield and healing. I think Furina + charlotte is better, plus Tenacity of Millelith for shield strength. I think Zhongli with Fischl and Yae is aalso a great team. Looks like you just want characters that aren’t necessary on normal attacking to work with Navia.

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     • maybe I just want actual meta character, working with meta supports and not some copium unit flouncing between those supports with little to none synergy?
       it’s just a meme that Fontaine character doesnt work with Fontaine archon unless through mediator. You know absolutely anybody can work with Furina if you stack Zhongli+ group wide healer+Furina. Too bad group wide healer plus Zhongli are overkill in terms of survival and suboptimal damage wise.
       I can just repeat what I already said. Unless she will have some broken base multipliers to compensate, she will end up as mediocre, not needed unit and clunky and squishy at that. Funny thing is that due to 2 geo requirement she cant even be played effectively in hyperbloom or with national trio, which absolutely any character in the game can do.. outside of geo.
       MAYBE Chiori is meant to save her, and Mihoyo is selling geo pack again.

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       • She does have high multipliers tho? and squishy??? wha. Also she’s geo, don’t hyperfocus on making her work the same way as other elements. That’s what you do, of course you think she’s clunky (??) or whatever. I thought you were trolling when you said she’s trash like yoi and dehya but wow, are you serious lmao. I think you might misunderstood her kit. No way someone reads her kit (especially her E) and downright says she’s shit

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   • Poor guy realised his fears are mostly unfounded. Objectively catalyst users like Nahida and Wanderer are the squishiest units on field.
     The strength of Geo is not high def, but rather the crystallize shards that mitigate damage taken and Geo resonance.
     This comment did not age well.

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2. so.. what is the best artifact set for her?

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   • Rolex watch and Gucci glasses are her best stuff
     Oh don’t forget the Balenciaga hat with Crit thingy

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   • New artifact set

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3. Everyone commenting on her numbers…me…THE AMOUNT OF STYLE THIS CHARACTER HAS. THE SUN GLASSES, THE BOSS B ENERGY. THE GUN-BRELLA! Like she was literally a mess emotionally last archon quest, LOOK AT HER! Periodt

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   • I fucking love the umbrella gun.

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4. MUST-GET-HER -AND-MAKE-HER-HAPPY
   -Kissed Lumine Main xD

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5. With Furina draining all of my primos just for C0, my chances of being able to properly save for her are a bit low… but mad respect to Hoyo for giving Geo a shiny new DPS that not only acknowledged Crystallize, but has superb animations to boot.

   I will never forgive the new Crystallize set for being a pure stat dump though. I mean cmon, you already kinda got it when they decided Navia wanted to work with other elements. Only for the new set to be “Ok so you make a rock and hit harder when you pick up that rock”. My Ningguang appreciates the yellow number bump, but… eh…

   Y’know what’d be nice? A reworked Archaic Petra set with more convenience and maybe a Crystallize shield durability boost? i dunno, it’s just so wild that VV gets a great Swirl Boost to make the wearer into an AOE SubDPS+Debuffer while Petra got (Clunky)Buffer as it’s bonus. The benefit to having a geo on a team is so one-sided here. The most you’ll get is Geo Resonance and whatever other bonuses are unique to each Geo unit (Zhongli shielding, Albedo’s easily wrecked off-field DPS, etc) The issue I have with Navia and Fremi is that they do nothing for their “focused” reaction in the grand scheme of things, it’s just a fancy damage bumping gimmick for them.

   I mean say what you will about Nilou and Chevy’s elemental racism but at least they’re getting their hands a bit dirty here. I ain’t saying we needed a Crystallize Nilou in place of Gurlboss Cannon Woman but… It’s like Hoyo gave up on Shatter and Crystallize and just said “uhh shit ok here you’ll deal more damage. and only for this specific DPS”. It’s even worse in Fremi’s case, at least Navia’s set can do something for any ATK scaling Geos that are OK with multi-element teams. Any new Phys DPS would be the same if he wasn’t released. I just hope this isn’t all they plan on doing, yeah?

   PS: Those random shades… good for her. Badass.

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   • I was really hoping Navia’s skill would deal additional damage corresponding to the kind of crystallize shards you picked up. It would make Archaic Petra actually relevant for her own damage as well.

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6. basically
   at 0 shard bullet she deals the base 500% ish (the base 5 shots)
   at 3 shard bullet she deals 500*2% or 1000% (the max 11 shots)
   at 6 shard bullet she deals 500*2 * (1 + 0.45) or about 1500% correct?

   and she has 2 E charge to use.
   she will collect shard bullet from her burst and infused attack for a few second before using another charge.

   so she can dish out 3000% from 2 E over about 18-20 seconds rotation assuming everything goes right.
   not counting her infused attack for 4+4 seconds of course.

   that’s not too bad I think.
   I will pull for her anyway. she is breathtakingly beautiful.

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7. So Navia also wants Gorou in her team, but not for an increase in defense but rather for his ability to pull elemental shards (aside from Geo DMG bonuses).
   Very interesting.

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   • Nah, you’ll be fine without Gorou. He’s not a bad teammate (Because of the shard vacuum), but Navia’s hold mode Skill has that covered. You just need enough Crystallize reactions happening off-field that when she gets on-field, she can immediately just Hold Skill and then start beefing with some fools. It seems like it’s gonna work like Neuvillette’s CA, where he absorbs the droplets.

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   • she doesnt need him, her hold skill pulls them, atp her jest geo supp is Albedo

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8. 2 years of Geo being a worthless element, having 0 identity, barley work with the other elements… But Navia is here to save the day! I bet the devastated Midtto mains are in full cope mode after they wasted so much time in the Husk domain so they can get a 200+ CV Midtto just to be powercrept. We all had to bench people sooner or later, but Fontane is here to change that. Just get Navia if you love strong characters.

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   • “Powercrept”
     Doesn’t use the same teammates, scales off a different stat entirely and released 2 years after

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     • Found the coping Itto main lmao

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       • Nah I haven’t mained Itto since 2021

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9. So she will absorb Crystallize shard and shoot bullet with her umbrella, then summon heavy artillery to blow away enemies. And with that passive i guess Navia Zhongli/Albedo/Gorou and maybe Bennett Furina ?

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   • read her passive again, she is not like itto (monogeo), more like giving element to enemies by sub dps and getting shard from navia basic atk

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     • I was gonna reply to them too, but I realized that they weren’t trying to imply that Mono-Geo would be a good team. They just formatted their sentence oddly. They’re saying that they might go…

       – Navia
       – Zhongli/Albedo/Gorou
       – Bennet
       – Furina

       Which is close to what I’m going for too, though I’m skipping the 2nd Geo unit in favor of Sunfire (Bennet/Jean). Navia only needs 2 other reactable element on the team, so your 4th member could be anything you want.

       Based on this kit, I’m probably going for…

       – Navia
       – Jean
       – Bennet
       – Furina

       Two massive damage buffs and two healers to help counteract the Furina self-harm on an Attack-scaling main-DPS? That’s pretty nice.

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     • Am I wrong ? 1 slot Geo for Geo resonance, 2 slot other element for atk buff ?

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       • Nope, not wrong. Having a second Geo unit will be useful. I’d consider using either Yun Jin, Albedo, or Zhongli though. Gorou will function just fine, but he won’t have a ton of utility outside of vacuuming crystals which Navia already does with her Hold Skill. However, if you’re going to be using Furina, you should really consider having a team-wide healer to build stacks up quicker and keep your team from being one-shot.

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10. Never thought they would give a character a higher base attack than Xiao lol

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    • Kinda have to, because of how limited Geo is. That’s why her Skill hits so damn hard. lv 10 doing 1500% with no stacks?!

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