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1. Getting new charas = making more teams
   making more teams = variety
   variety > playing 1 trillion times with the “strongest ones”

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   • getting new charas = need more artifacts
     need more artifacts = farming on the brand new domain™
     farming on the brand new domain™ = be stuck there for months and then the brand new domain™ wouldnt be as new since other 3 domains will have released by the time you’re done
     variety is cool and all, but I would never get new charas just for the sake of it especially when even after all the farming they still gonna perform worse than older charas
     and performing better >>>> all the variety hoyo wants to shove down your throat

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     • I don’t think the new chara are going to affect your schedule of farming golden troupe/Maurechausse domain.
       So relax and take things slow. Btw I’ve farmed domains for 3yrs already.

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       • pretty cool that you’ve farmed for that long, me too, you just proved my point.

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     • It’s just a casual gacha game

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       • and how does that changes the amount of farming needed to make characters usable? it doesn’t, it’s just another excuse you guys use to simp and defend for the anti-consumer practices hoyo does

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   • You couldn’t be anymore accurate.

     Now Breathe with me. Let the copium out.

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   • Not really. Tell me with a straight face Candace is worth getting, WITHOUT crutching someone from version 1.

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2. I can’t wait for her!

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   • Glad to know. But I can.

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   • Good luck

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3. I assume from her kit she’s a sub DPS. I don’t think her on field dps ( slow infused na) is even close to Noelle level but again as a subdps she has literally no supporting capabilities other than crystallize shields which is trash and might mess with other reactions. It would suck if her numbers aren’t better than current sub dps characters who can at least, at the very least, help with different reactions.

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   • She is more a quickswap DPS, like Tighnari. Tighanri doesn’t have support capacities either, just burst damage (ECQ2C). With Navia, you can do the same, Q at the start of the rotation to get some shard, come, E and away twice per rotation. She needs more another quickswap unit that goes well with her kit (you can already play Ningguang with EQCE).

     Her infusion is good for people who want more fieldtime for her. EN3CN2 x2 is about 10s of field time and 8s of down time so you can rotate your supports.

     I love playing Tighanri and Yae, they have both a bit of fieldtime but short enough to be played together with 2 other unit as support/subDPS. Lika Nahida + defensive unit. Genshin need more quickswap units so we can diversify our playstyles.

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     • Moral of the story >>

       We need more characters. Both weaker and stronger ones for diversity’s sake. Game is easy don’t cry if your favorite character gets mid treatment. Just adjust the supports and cope. At the end of the day, if your stick can do a hammers job don’t brag for the stick being weak. Rejoice for you are able to use a different thing.

       So f wholesome.

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     • I would not be wondered if they throw her on the standard banner sometime after the limited ends. Although I think that every time there is a fontaine character because they all belong to floptaine. Geo, claymore, fontaine this time…sigh…she most likely wouldn’t even be on par with other flops. Her power level is pretty much the same as the standard characters, arguably inferior to some. there are no geo standard character as of now and still no fontaine standard character. So she seems like a good contender.
       EZ skip yet again. Just hold on to your primogems until floptaine comes to an end.

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   • why ppl r thinking that she’s a sub dps lmao, she has decent dmg boost from her passive and 8 sec onfield time in total. She can be a quickswap char or pure onfield character. she’s capable for it

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   • she is quickswap. and otherwise, she would be pretty handy on Archaic Petra. look at it this way- she is the 2nd geo on fielder who isn’t gated to triple geo teams, so like Noelle, she can drive your off field dps, except Navia DOES generate energy and she DOESN’T have the enormous downtime.

     basically a more quickswap friendly Noelle, but scales like Ningguang.

     you can buff off fielders like Fischl and Yae, Xiangling with Bennett, Kokomi and Furina or Yelan with Xingqiu, or Kaeya and Rosaria. get some extra crit rate with cryo resonance

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4. HARBINGER OF TRUTH
   A beta tester has to sign an NDA regarding disclosure of leaks. However given that you are anonymous here, please furnish us with details on her kit.
   1) How many particles does her skill provide?
   2) Current ER requirements – in your beta stage
   3) Independence of her kit to run without another Geo. (Overall for Crystalization/charges)
   4) Atk scaling (incl. A4 passive and BIS weapon)
   5) Her burst should fire 16 Airstrike (Can you confirm?)

   These are the critical information which will benefit the theorycrafting community.

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   • He’s just a phony dude who claims to have “tested” C1 Navia using an unofficial third-party software to perform calculations emulating Genshin. I suggest against anybody from believing Navia is only 7% better than Ninguang according to his “calculations”. If that said software is capable of providing precise information the devs are looking for, there is no need for “Beta testers” to exists.

     Now for the real information peeps are looking out for (according to leaks):

     1) Navia generates 4 particles per E skill and her skill has 2 charges. Thus, this brings her close to a C1 Yelan’s snappy playstyle of EEQ.
     2) According to the above information (2 skills of 4 particles), this means her ER requirements is 160% in a solo Geo comp.
     3) She is Independent to run without another GEO! But only with her C2 constellation or 100% uptime on her burst.
     4) Atk scaling -> Not clearly stated, but a known leaker displayed 3k Atk power in the stats.
     5) Confirmed that her burst fires 16 Airstrikes! 17 including the initial blast.

     Kindly do not believe any other misinformation from unknown sources.

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5. just farm Archaic Petra, dont wait for her new set… its hot trash. thank me later

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   • I was thinking the same. I wasn’t sure. I think I’ll start farming that one.

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   • why do you need AP arts when its boosting any OTHER element but no geo one? this arts set is only for supporting other elements, but not for geo dps

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   • No need to listen to this guy. Signature artifact is just better. THank ME later

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   • the new set is 50% geo dmg, petra it’s just for support. thank me later

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6. I need the brutal truth. If I have a near min-maxed Ningguang, is there any point to me rolling Navia in 4.3? Or is it better to wait for her reroll on the off chance we get a new Geo support?

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   • A lot of expectations on Ninguang revolves around the new artifact set – Nighttime whispers. Farming is also an issue given the gated resin system. Either way this is a long game. You can wait for reruns.

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7. Since people tell me they “calculated” the damage and she looks promising and is way better than Ningguang I tested it myself. I used Navia (C1), Zhong, Bennett + Yelan in my team with the new art set. (Also added Bennett Ult, Yelan Ult on it.) The Weapon I used on her was the Unforged Full damage output in 2 rotations = 838504 Damage overall (2 NA rotations + 2 times skill)
   Ningguang (C6) the same team Weapon Skyward overall damage = 783650.
   Why would I cry over a character I like? Because I want her to be good and not just slightly better than a 4-star character. No, she is not “WAY BETTER” than Ningguang just slightly, which is just absurd. She is a 5 star!
   (Yes I used the new set and Yes I know if i use Serpent, it is better on her, but I used Unforged and skyward for my testing. Do not even come up with an argument “BUT SERPENT DOES MORE DAMAGE” ok bro I can use Witsith on Ningguagn with either the first or second buff on and outdamage Navia lol.
   I know she is still in the Beta but dear people stop the cap, she is not way better than Ningguang.

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   • Ninguang has 212 base atk while Navia has 351 base atk (highest in-game). Are you theory crafting just mainly on motion values?

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   • I’m genuinely curious how you compared Ningguang’s and Navia’s damage. It seems logical to pick weapons that have very little affect on overall damage so that you can get a truer sense of what their base damage would be. That being said, why did you compare a c6 4 star against a c1 5 star? The added levels to Ningguang’s skill would skew the results somewhat. In addition to that, what talent levels did you use for all skills and NA’s? Also you specified that you used 2 NA rotations + 2 skill for Navia’s damage but you said “Ningguang’s overall damage”. Is that also 2 NA rotations + 2 skills? If so, how would you get 2 skills without using her Burst? And if you used her Burst, then she would get the 7 star jades instead of the normal 3. If Ningguang’s Burst is included, then so should Navia’s. Any clarification on what skills you used to calculate Ningguang’s damage would be appreciated. Also, this is for me but it’s hard to trust people’s calculations when they don’t provide the math the back it up, just like you didn’t trust other people’s calculations.

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   • “used Navia C1” What are you ritch or something? do you also buy pokimane’s cookies too?

     Did you use Yeelans max buff that only lasts for less than a second to calculate the damage or a more, realistic average buff from her?
     How long does it take to do Ninguans rotation for that damage?
     How long does it take to do Navias rotation for that damage?

     Hotel Trivago.

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     • He calc for “C1 Navia” but (if i’m not mistaken) C1 is Burst cooldown reduction and energy recharge while he don’t calc with burst. His Calc are for C0 Navia, he is just trying to toy with our mind…

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   • In my book I always saw a C6 4* on about the same powerlevel as a C0 5*.
     Soooo, working as intended? Its funny funny how on one hand people complain about the weak 4* units and on the other complain about 5* not being 10 times stronger than 4*.

     Also, Navia does way more AOE dmg than Ning and why would you use Bennet in a team that already has sustain to only buff one unit? Are the ~1k atk really worth the missing sub dps?

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     • I think the problem is the consistency between 4*. There is a noticeable power difference between 4* before ver 2 and after ver 2 (with one or two notable exceptions). The strongest 4* from ver 1 utterly dominate the majority of 5* even with consts, whilst C6 4* from ver 2 onwards are easily replaced by 5*.
       As for why he used Bennett, I assume it’s because others were using him earlier in their dmg calculations.

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       • On the contrary, the C0 5* are getting better with each release. Fontaine premium chars are generally a cut above average compared to other regions in both design and power. Dev getting a blank cheque on this one.

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         • Lol what? Lyney is shit compared to the VERSION 1 4* Xiangling and especially compared to Hu Tao, I’ll give you Neuvellette, Wriothesley is utter garbage when not driving for Xiangling and Furina needs consts to be better than Mona or Kazuha. The game is an unbalanced hot mess lmao. It won’t matter if Fontaine characters are ‘slightly stronger’, they have to jump through hoops whilst the version 1 characters just press a damn button for better results with more utility and versatility. Absolutely disgraceful.

     • I can smell a new Geo support coming down the line to try and save the sinking ship of Geo. Same old scummy move, release a mediocre unit and then release the fix later. Geo needs a complete rework at this point. Yes I know Geo got ‘buffed’ with Zhongli’s buff, but it needs a true rework. Make crystalize akin to anemo, IE crystalize shields shred 20% resistance of the respective element but it also buffs the elemental dmg by 20% as well. They could even give the shield pulsing elemental application of the respective element every 1-2s to help free up comps and characters. Or hell, just roll the Petra 4-piece into crystalize and call it a day. Just give it something to make it worthwhile to use.

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   • Back when Dehya was back in beta, you had that one moron on here trying to claim she was great because he was crutching both Bennett and Xingqui to make her dmg tolerable and her DR useful. It’s the exact same here. Crutching Bennett to try and claim she’s doing good dmg is asinine and preventing people from holding these idiot devs feet to the fire. If a character NEEDS Bennett to do decent dmg at this point in the games life, that character is trash, end of story. Hopefully I’m wrong and she actually turns out strong, but I think people have been spoiled by Neuve and Furina.

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     • That damm moron who tested Dehya is probably HARBINGER OF TRUTH; Who doesn’t have a clear methodology for testing chara, adds a bunch of unnecessary variables to overinflate the numbers. In the end, the problems which should have been fixed, never got the chance to.

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       • Dont speak about me if you can not back it up. I am new here lol and realized how much people such as yourself lack basic knowledge. And you pretty much proved yourself as ignorant by not reading my post in the first place lol. I said from the start that Navia is not a great character. She is “OK” but not great. Stop putting words in my mouth. I just try to prove that she is DESPITE all the buffs not even that strong. And her damage compared to Ningguang with all buffs are still not that far ahead. So maybe learn to read first.

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       • Damn, some of you really lack basic brain skills. I DONT HAVE TO BE A BETA TESTER to “calculate her damage” . There are some websites where you can theorycraft with her kit already!!! I have done at least 5 testing runs with Navia vs Ningguang. With different weapons but the same team!
         Team: Zhong, Yelan, Bennett with a high base atk 5-star weapon. I also calculated the new art set in this!
         Now let’s be real. RAW DAMAGE wins Navia no question but if you also calculate the team the difference is not that huge! I am not saying Navia is worse than Ningguang but she is no way MILES better that is just a wrong statement. She is fine, she is not broken but also not bad at all. She is an “OK” Quckswap DPS nothing more. She provides nothing new to the table, her damage is ok, and her playstyle a bit odd. But overall she is fine. As I said before. If you use the team I mentioned and ADD all buffs into her overall DPS is not significantly higher than Ningguang damage. Just as you I want her to be a good character not just an “OK” character. Right now I would say she is around Yoimiya level of dmg (or Eula i guess?)
         (WE STILL GOT TIME, SO MAYBE JUST MAYBE THEY WILL CHANGE SOME STUFF WITH HER, TO MAKE IT CLEAR ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT A BETA TESTER)

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         • You cleared said you “tested” the chara, but now you’re saying you uploaded your stats on a website. How can this be considered “testing”? You don’t even know the team rotation and not have any control over any of those characters.
           It is highly dubious at this point whether your garbage numbers holds any credibility.

   • Please can you give me the rotations you used for both chars ? Artifacts ? Their CV and subs ?

     I did calc on my own with new set, random duo geo for resonance, 180 CV artifacts (CR circlet + 30/60 subs, accessible investment), no other subs, Crowned C6 Bennett + and Crowned Furina (average 150 stacks) for dmg per screenshot and the gap was higher with f2p weapon (Dodoco and Melusine swords) than the very exactly extremely precise 7% difference you are saying. If we use BiS (MoD full stacks for Ningguang), gap is wider.

     Rotation I use was EQCE 5NC for C6 Ningguang (10 gems for Q since 2 love to crash on floor…) and Q 2ENA for C0 Navia (only 8 procs for burst even if in reality it’s more like 12+)

     IIRC, with f2p weapon, Navia was dealing at least 18%+ more DMG and with BiS 25%+.
     Difference goes higher when you don’t stick to Bennett.
     Navia has higher base attack and atk% bonus in her kit, so she can deal without Bennett and still be great, and it’s cool.
     If you compare them without any support, just raw character and they raw damage, Ningguang can’t stand the comparison.

     And not everyone as C6 Ningguang. I play every day since 1.4 and mine is only C3. (and I take welkin moon and BP each time since, so 50% more wishes than average players)

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     • Yes raw damage without supports Navia wins. With supports such as Bennett C5, lv 13 Burst. + Zhong + yelan (elegy) She also wins but slightly, the damage difference is not that huge. The more buffs you put on the better Ningguang gets. THe damage is really not that great. It is fine slightly better than NIngguang.

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       • I see no reason for using Bennett in Navia team as the extra atk offers less value than to feed other stats like crit and dmg bonus. plus Elegy on Yelan is a pretty wild use of Elegy, especially to use with Navia.

         under a different set of supports, Navia would do better, especially as she could use Archaic Petra and have her amplify the dmg dealt by off fielders like Yelan, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Kaeya, Rosaria, Yae, Fischl, etc.

         there is just too much atk on Navia compared to other stats. high Bae atk plus high base atk weapon with atk% main stat plus atk passive and then you add pyro resonance and the 1k atk buff from Bennett. this is not Shenhe you’re building. it’s such a high opportunity cost using Bennett with Navia even though you would use it with Ningguang. not to mention that results change as of gameplay, considering Ningguang is pretty clunky and has extended animations for NA and CA, so Navia is more fluid to play which means the world for mobile gaming and for any casuals.

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     • Damn, some of you really lack basic brain skills. I DONT HAVE TO BE A BETA TESTER. There are some websites where you can theorycraft with her kit already!!! I have done at least 5 testing runs with Navia vs Ningguang. With different weapons but the same team!
       Team: Zhong, Yelan, Bennett with a high base atk 5-star weapon. I also calculated the new art set in this!
       Now let’s be real. RAW DAMAGE wins Navia no question but if you also calculate the team the difference is not that huge! I am not saying Navia is worse than Ningguang but she is no way MILES better that is just a wrong statement. She is fine, she is not broken but also not bad at all. She is an “OK” Quckswap DPS nothing more. She provides nothing new to the table, her damage is ok, and her playstyle a bit odd. But overall she is fine. As I said before. If you use the team I mentioned and ADD all buffs into her overall DPS is not significantly higher than Ningguang damage. Just as you I want her to be a good character not just an “OK” character. Right now I would say she is around Yoimiya level of dmg (or Eula i guess?)

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       • At this point, nobody believes you.

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       • What you said doesn’t make any sense. You said without buffs Navia’s raw damage is a lot stronger than Ningguang. If they have access to the same buffs in the same team, how could Ningguang close the gap between her and Naiva? It’d be like saying Navia does 10k damage without buffs and Ningguang does 6k without buffs but with buffs Navia does 30k but Ningguang does 24k. How could the same set of buffs increase Navia’s damage by 3x but increase Ningguang’s by 4x? If anything, it should be the opposite since Navia has better base stats and scalings.

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         • Once she is out you will see it yourself, you guys lack basic logic. High atk stats doe not mean more damage. Ningguang has a bad atk stat naturally but her burst and scaling overall is great, combine it with a decent support setup up and her only issue is gone LOW ATK is her only low issue. But as I said, high atk stats does not mean more damage. Btw I could have also picket the Witsith + 5 and she would than out damage Navia, just saying. You guys are just way to focused on raw stats which is just stupid. You can test some of it yourself rather than crying over my comment
           Also Ningguang has almost a 500% scaling on her skill at C6 you can cast it twice! Her ult hits also pretty hard, but anyway. I just want her to be good I don’t even know why some of you are crying over my comment, but this is the genshin community happy with a Dehya

   • meanwhile, Navia’s playstyle is less clunky than Ningguang’s, who has RNG in animation of NAs, and has to go through animation cancelling.

     Navia can swap off as she likes, and is pretty simple of a character. she is THE YOIMIYA of geo, in simplicity, power level, and comparison to competition.

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8. Since people tell me they “calculated” the damage and she looks promising and is way better than Ningguang I tested it myself. I used Navia (C1), Zhong, Bennett + Yelan in my team with the new art set. (Also added Bennett Ult, Yelan Ult on it.) The Weapon I used on her was the Unforged Full damage output in 2 rotations = 838504 Damage overall (2 NA rotations + 2 times skill)

   Ningguang (C6) the same team Weapon Skyward overall damage = 783650.

   Why would I cry over a character I like? Because I want her to be good and not just slightly better than a 4-star character. No, she is not “WAY BETTER” than Ningguang just slightly, which is just absurd. She is a 5 star!

   (Yes I used the new set and Yes I know if i use Serpent, it is better on her, but I used Unforged and skyward for my testing. Do not even come up with an argument “BUT SERPENT DOES MORE DAMAGE” ok bro I can use Witsith on Ningguagn with either the first or second buff on and outdamage Navia lol.

   I know she is still in the Beta but dear people stop the cap, she is not way better than Ningguang.

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9. I’m so sick of this shitty game. I do already have good characters to clear the abyss, but every time I really like a new character, they’re mid. I love Dehya and look what they did to her. Now it’s Navia. Before that it was Itto. Is it so much to ask for to finally get a new broken character I want? I don’t want Neuvillette. I don’t want Nahida. I’m sick of playing with Alhaitham. Why can’t these dumb ass devs in charge of kits give Navia the same treatment she got when it comes to her story, personality and design?

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   • She looks fine to me.

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   • Have you considered about getting a job. a partner. a physical hoby, or stop playing the game?
     Why would you continue doing something with your free time that you don’t enjoy?

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     • I have all of that and i will still be as mad as this guy if Clorinde happens to be mid.

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     • I have a job, a boyfriend and hobbies. in fact, genshit is one of those damn hobbies so try again lmao. being frustrated with a character you like being shitty doesn’t go away because of these things, obviously.

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   • Why do you want a broken character ? As long as the character is fonctionnal, it’s fine. I agree Dehya as flow that kill the fun. But Itto is fine and fun to play. Navia will be fine and fun to play. Her numbers seems good. Not broken but imagine having something close Eula’s burst, but twice per rotation and without 7s of loading.
     Plus she can have onfield presence with her geo infused NA, while being quickswappy if you don’t want. Instead of whining about what you don’t have, try to enjoy first what you have or can have.

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     • You speak facts

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   • Character is mid, around Ningguang level he is 100% correct

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     • You mean 3x Ninguang’s level of power?

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       • She is not 3 times Ningguang done my own “calculations” like the others who claim the same and she is just slightly better but not x3

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       • with KQM standards if ningguang is doing 43k DPS in ninguangg/bennet/zhongli/xianling (ningguang personal 29k dps) and navia in navia/bennet/zhongli/xiangling is at 55k DPS (35k dps navia) that is very close to ningguang levels.

         Keep in mind that for comparisons noelle in mono geo is with the same teammates as itto, for example when itto was released his team was at 38k DPS (that includes gorou C6)
         while itto stood with 56k DPS.

         So while the difference between Noelle and Itto was 18k DPS, Navia and Ningguang are barely 12k DPS.

         Keep in mind that the DPS of navia teams is calculated under the assumption that you will always hit all 11 bullets.

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   • so this is it, no more buffs. Contender for being most useless limited 5* for your account arrived.. and Cyno had low investment worth due to high competition in electro, by himself he is pretty decent, especially now with Furina and Baizhu.
     It’s not even about damage. She literally does nothing other then two clunky hard-hitting miniscule aoe elemental skills, no exploration value for overworld, no worth for domains as your elemental supports will kill everything faster then Navia will get her shotgun stacks and without stacks it will crit for 30k unbuffed (Yelan E skill level lol, but without super dash and reactions)…

     They need to dump her into standard, that is the only way to save their face

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   • navia is still in beta, and geo’s roster is still expanding. perhaps lipn boy is another geo character, perhaps a more flexible Gorou that’s not just mono geo centered.

     if geo could get a healer that makes Navia shine, then it’s worth. funny how there is a whole fad around Furina teams and yet Pyro, Electro, and geo down have off field team healers. could say the same for hydro as well.

     if Hoyo really wants to make Taylor Swift synergy with Furina, then we need a geo healer.

     so if can be the case a character is mid so that they’re future proof before they get too strong with an upcoming character.

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10. Is possible that she might be put in standard banner ? We have no 5 * geo “free” character in standard banner .

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    • No information concerning this but I doubt of it.

      Might be possible tho. Her cons aren’t necessarly game breaking and weapon effect is a bit niche (crystalize+skill), but still too good for Standard imo.

      Albedo can fit the job too but they didn’t add it the standard either.

      If she fall in standard, I’ll prey to loose every 50/50, and only on her tho xD

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      • At this point, I’d prefer losing pity on Dehya to Navia if Nav was in standard. At least I can almost use Dehya properly now thanks to Furina. Just need a good way of mitigating her frankly absurd energy cost.

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