723 responses to “Clorinde”

1. I hope no retard pulls for her

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   • That one guy made a good point. How did they make Arlecchino a good ass unit and then release Clorinde’s mid ass right after. DId they fire the dev team who made Arlecchino’s kit or sumn?

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     • the only reason arlecchino is good is because her masque increase is actually stupid on top of her NA scalings

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2. I don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned but Clorinde does NOT have 8.5s downtime, she has 8.5s minus the time her ult takes
   By the time you’ve used Kazuha EQ, Nahida EQ and Fischl E/ Sara combo her downtime is probably done
   Her downtime is actually more like 7s

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   • the way you said it makes no sense, she actually has no downtime in a team kazuha eq, nahida eq and sara eq take about ~ 8/9s + 2s clorinde burst she perfectly has her skill back up
     she is desinged the same way older dps are, no flexible onfield time like yoimiya and hu tao

     even if you do incomplete rotations like you dont have kazuha and sara burst up her downtime doesnt become a problem
     the thing that really sucks is that you have to apply electro with another char when kazuha burst is down

     the real problem are weaker enemies that you dont need all team buffs for only then does her downtime become annoying
     thats where new dps who are so flexible with field time are so busted they can quickly oneshot ads and then switch without losing anything and do the whole rotation for the stronger enemies

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     • I mean her personal downtime isn’t as bad as people make it out to be, sorry about phrasing
       But yeah I’ve seen complaints about that a lot and no one I’ve seen really factored in her Burst time

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     • Rotating through supports shouldn’t take you 9s

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       • Again burst time needs to be accounted for, she bursts before her skill which is anywhere between 1 to 2.5 seconds depending on if her CD starts before or after the animation

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       • According to KQM framedata a frame perfect Kazuha hEQ > Nahida hEQ > Fischl E takes over 6.5s
         Assuming the burst CD begins when the animation ends (worst case because I forgot) that means You have 7.5s taken by Clorinde’s skill + 6.75s taken by supports out of Clorinde’s 15s ult CD: 0.75s remaining in the worst case scenario
         The only way I would shorten support time would be Kazuha’s press E but hold has better suck, and if you use a different character to Fischl (eg Sara) support time takes longer
         Clorinde’s on field time is short but her downtime fits just about perfectly with aggravate teams

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   • This bro here is always there to defend whatever shit Hoyo throws

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     • No, her numbers seem pretty mediocre, but her kit design is coherent and nice

       Dehya was a horrible failure, Wriothesley was way too constellation locked, Neuvilette is horribly unbalanced, Sigewinne I just don’t get, physical and geo have been neglected, rewards are low, Keqing and Xinyan have been glitches for years etc etc

       This game has plenty of issues and I’m not about to defend any of them, but Clorinde is functionally sound and the hate echochambers surrounding this game are so bad I’d prefer to not involve myself too much

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       • Oh and Chiori was just sad so I forgot she existed, I ignored her beta
         If a character is bad or uninteresting I tend to just ignore them

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3. Thundering Fury vs. the new BoL artifact (i forgot the name), which is better for Clorinde?

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   • Thundering fury for overall QoL and DMG in aggravate
     BoL for higher numbers in short rotations

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   • TF = Less damage but more rotation time
     FoHW = Less rotation time but more damage

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4. Clorinde’s purpose was to keep main playerbase in game until Natlan is in reach.

   In terms of her power, she was doomed from the beginning, since those who will pull for her already have C3R1 Raiden and it’s not like you need 2 electro teams for abyss.
   So she is perfect C0 trophy wife to fight with boredom until 5.0 leaks, that’s her role and she looks perfect for it. It’s like Eula back in the days, character unneeded meta wise but with great looks and stylish gameplay.

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   • Sure ig but every DPS who doesn’t cover a new archetype is unnecessary and every character releases to keep players playing, Wriothesley released in a very similar situation but he released in the beginning of Fontaine, tbh I don’t think the Genshin team cares about balancing seeing as how the strongest and weakest 4.0 DPSes released in the same patch
     There’s clearly effort put into Clorinde, she has a relatively unique playstyle and very good visuals, so I can’t agree she’s filler unlike Chiori, she’s just… kinda eh power wise

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   • Aggravate Clorinde will outdps C3R1 Raiden. People will regret skipping her, it’s what Hoyo always does. Putting 4 characters people want in the same patch to force them to either skip or spend. You’d think people would catch up on their antics by now, but some are very restarted.

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     • aggravate is inferior reaction, it is simply not needed when hyperbloom exists. Only simps use aggravate because there is no other way to justify using their mid-tier mains. I played plenty of aggravate teams, the moment you add hydro in it instead of 2nd electro, team perfomance skyrockets. Aggravate can only act competetively in full glasscannon mode I.e. you need Kazu or Sucrose instead of daddy otherwise damage is mediocre.
       Not to mention aggravate doesnt have OP supports. Clorinde could’ve become such sub-dps support, i.e. better Fischl, but hoyo decided to bake another “balanced” on-fielder, who will be forced to compete with overinvested AF older units. To do that she must be another Nevi, i.e. to have x1.6 raw damage multiplier passive, but she doesnt have it.

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       • You know Clorinde self-heals right? She can run a full offensive team because she’s the healer

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         • yes, but even HP-scaling self-healing characters are played with healers or shielders, and she isnt HP scaling. You can probably go with prototype amber Nahida, assuming EM for sharing will be 1k from Kazu or Sucrose. I played such aggravate team succesfully in first half of Sumeru, but when monsters became more dangerous (like consecrated beasts) it became copium. Maybe Clorinde can perform on combined healing from PA+her own.. we’ll see soon.

       • aggravate may be inferior but it does not mean that its unusable, or that only simps use it. many quicken dpses are still able to utilize hyperbloom and quicken together. cyno is a great example, his best team is reliant on both hyperbloom and quicken. if you don’t use a hydro chara then you lose out on a lot of dps, and same with foregoing crit. he relies on utilizing both methods of distributing dmg.
         also, there plenty of supports for quicken. not only do we have anemo supports like kazuha and sucrose, but we also have nahida. but seem to think bc a unit is valuable in one team archetype they aren’t valuable in another, which just isn’t the case. and, if we include hydro supports for quickbloom, then both yelan and furina give good dmg bonuses which would get wasted in a bloom team.

         its also a bold assumption that “every one pulling her already have C3R1 Raiden”

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   • You’re an idiot lmao

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   • Eula was great back then for several abyss rotations, so lets just not spew nonsense out of ignorance. This is so 2020,it’s not funny anymore

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     • yeah i agree eula was very good, i would say even till fontaine release
       but now the abyss is just horrible for physical dps

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       • Eula was hailed as one of the best DPS in 2.X but like Ganyu she fell off, even more so than Ganyu since physical has been horribly neglected

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         • Yeah I agree. I hoped Chloridne was a superconduct/physical buffer. She could’ve at least been a hybrid sub-dps support who buffed overload and dealt overload dmg with Arlechinno and chevruese. Another potential would’ve been Electro-charged main-dps where she gets buffed for trigging the reaction through her kit similar to Neuvi.

         • Yeah I agree. I hoped Chloridne was a superconduct/physical buffer. She could’ve at least been a hybrid sub-dps support who buffed overload and dealt overload dmg with Arlechinno and chevruese. Another potential would’ve been Electro-charged main-dps where she gets buffed for trigging the reaction through her kit similar to Neuvi.

   • >”those who will pull for her already have C3R1 Raiden”
     lmao

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5. Honestly, I’ve been looking forward her release since the trailer, but even though I’ve just seen her kit, I’m still gonna pull. (I have no idea what team comps she’ll use)
   Remember guys, pull whoever you want, wheter they’re meta or not (I was honestly hoping I’d be able to pull Clorinde and Sigewinne, but choices are to be made I guess.)

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   • Try an aggravate team with Nahida Kazuha and Fischl/Yae/C6 Sara, or try an Overload team with Chevy and Fischl/Yae/C6 Sara/Xiangling/Thoma etc

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     • is there anyone good for aggrevate teams? cuz i dont have nahida or baizhu, only dendro MC, collei, Yaoyao and kirara.
       Also, is chevruse needed for overload teams? If so, i hope she is on clorindes banner.

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       • Chevrolet is needed for overload teams, in fact her res shred passive does not work unless you have all pyro and electro characters.

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       • yes chevruse is a requirement to play overload, chevr c6 is dmg wise like kazuha without any grouping capabilities
         overload is pretty shit because all enemies just get hurled away from you and you have no benefit without chev AS you just grief yourself
         for aggrevate in your case only MC and collei are really viable,

         i would prefer collei if enemies arent to spred apart because of her limited aoe
         besides that collei is a good elegy user if you have it
         with collei c2 you also can almost use clorindes whole dmg window

         otherwise i would use mc, bigger aoe and duration

         i think for teams i would go with kazuha/sucrose/lynette with vv, mc/collei/nahida, c6 sara/furina/bennet the 4th slot is pretty flexible

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       • dendro options:
         Kirara’s application may not be enough but Clorinde has short field time so maybe
         Collei at C2+ is good for aggravate
         Dendro MC is always a solid pick
         Nahida is unsurprisingly very strong
         Baizhu and Yaoyao exist

         Electro options:
         Fischl is a fantastic sub-spd and battery
         Yae has strong personal DMG and Clorinde’s low field time means the time for 3 skills doesn’t take away from your team DMG
         C6 Sara gives Clorinde the most personal DMG while also dealing competent DMG herself with her Burst
         Beidou is powerful but can struggle with energy

         Anemo options:
         Kazuha is as always fantastic for his DMG% buffs and crowd control
         Sucrose gives big em and DMG% but her crowd control is subpar

         Flex options:
         Zhongli gives a nice shield and res debuff to enemies
         Furina gives DMG% and enables quickbloom

         Those are all the character’s I’d recommend from memory

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       • Yaoyao

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       • Id get her on rerun, you’d rly like a nahida first.
         she’ll feel quite underwhelming in those teams without her, but if you don’t care abt Abyss, or your other team is very strong, she’ll be just fine

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6. looks like she depends on how many % BoL you have on her. it’s either 100%>=, 100%= it’s 49.64%×3 for CA and 76.67% for NA. this is kinda bad
   BUT “lawful remuneration” gives her a talent multiplier of 100% x 1800 atk max equal to 60% to the overall atk what is 3000 atk. with 3000 atk the ratio is 3000:1800(=1.666) what is 1,666/100% equals 60% talent multiplier. 76,67%+60%=146.67% for NA and (49.64% + 60%)×3=328,92% for CA. with buffer like bennett, sets and weapons. you easily reach higher numbers making this passive less usefull since you are beyond the 3000 atk hardcap. f.e. with 4200 atk the ratio is 4200:1800=2,33; 2.33/100%=42,92%; (49.64% + 42,92%)x3=277,68% for every CA.
   compared to arlecchino with 100% BoL which does 238%x1(100% BoL)+~100%(NA)=338% talent multiplier per hit. with both at c0r1 clorinde has 60% more cvalue and her CA looks pretty fast if her 100%>=BoLCA is as fast as showen here (that was not a 100%>=BoLCA). arle in the other hand has 28 more dmg%, the better element/better teams, more on field time, no atk cap for any mechanics.
   I’m not sure if she can reach neuv/arle level but she is by far not bad. correct me if I’m wrong somewhere.

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   • EDIT: *looks like she depends on how many % BoL you have on her. it’s either 100%>=, 100%= it’s 49.64%×3 for CA and 76.67% for NA. this is kinda bad (dunno what I did wrong that characters disapear)

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   • EDIT 2: explanation why 1800 atk and the 100% talent multiplier and not 1800 dmg. 1800 atk x 1 (100%) dmg multiplier equals 1800 dmg I just do it in this way because it’s easier to calculate and compare with talent multiplier instead of dmg and it doesn’t change anything at all.
     example: it would be like this (0.4964*3000+1800)x3=9867,6 dmg in comparison to my methode 3,2892*3000=9.867,6 dmg aka the same.

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   • Congrats for writing a wall of text about something everybody already knows.

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     • I read through some comments and ppl said she is really bad so I don’t think everybody knows how she works. I wasn’t interested in her since I’m broke and I just dicided to calculate her and wanted to know how her numbers are before she comes out. so yeah I’m for sure not the first one but you are welcome.:-)

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       • It’s not that people don’t understand her kit but rather her numbers are just quite mediocre when you consider how short her field time is
         She’s neither really bad nor really good (unless live release brings some unknown insight we all missed)

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   • I’m thinking Clorinde will really like to have Dendro teammate(s), if Catalyze and Aggravate counts as separate reactions, which will allow her to get all A1(?) stacks in a tri-elemental team. Also due to her A1, she would be less reliant on Aggravate, and prefer DMG% buffers such as Kazuha or Furina instead. The latter is not *as* anti-synergestic as she is with Arle, since healers can help Clorinde stack BoL, and Clor herself has frequent self-heals (which will heal more than normal because Furina can buff incoming healing)

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     • This was debunked a long time ago. she doesn’t need separate reactions, triggering 3 overloads will Max the passive the same way 3 different reactions would
       Theoretically Overload is her best team, aggravate isn’t far behind

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       • Sorry, I may miss calculated, but if I start from her base stat lv90, I add just +311 atk for the flower, +608 for the weapon, +46.6% elemental dmg and +31.1% crit rate as a standar stuff: her NA (skill on) incrased by aggravate do more damage than a simple overload. Yeah overload become more intersting with high elemental masteries, but in with a em/elm%/crit%, get 24 sub-stat in em give a overload that deal less dmg than an aggravate burst with 24 sub-stats in crit dmg%. And even with 3 art in em, hyperbloom do much more damage than overload.
         So I don’t get why overload is the best team for her.

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       • Main problem people are anticipating is that TF requires Clorinde herself to trigger overload, so random procs from the back line won’t help her uptime at all. Aggravate is much more consistent, making it pull ahead in practice unless you’re super particular about application.

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         • I used Overload as an example but ofc her A1 applies to any electro reaction

       • Wait so how are the three stacks “timed separately” (or I’m looking at outdated info)

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         • Example
           You get one stack, 5 seconds later you get 2nd stack and 5s later again you get 3rd stack
           15s after gaining the 1st stack it expires, gaining the 2nd and 3rd stacks doesn’t refresh its duration and you’ll keep the two gained after it until they also expire

           I’m not sure how gaining stacks works if you have 3, I’d assume it refreshes the one with the least duration left but idk, since Clorinde stays on field for less than 10s anyway it barely matters

   • EDIT 3: *it’s either bigger or equal 100%, smaller than 100% or 0%. when bigger or equal 100% it’s 49.64%×3 for CA and…
     smaller than and bigger than character seems to delete text inbetween.

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     • It bugs me that you call night pierce her CA when it’s her E
       Pressing skill again while her infusion is active is how to trigger Impale the Night, and she’s unable to use CAs

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       • C0 already looks better than C6 cyno, with better rotation and teammates choice also.
         Though cyno is like D tier now?

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         • Cyno is like A tier, just not aggravate Cyno

       • yeah, sry. “be unable to use Charged Attacks. Using her Elemental Skill will transform it into “Impale the Night”” sound for me like after her elemental skill you cannot do normal CA’s but instead you do “impale the night” when you hold the attack button. I have not seen a gameplay with icons yet and can only speculate.

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         • It means using her Skill again during the Night Vigil state will trigger Impale the Night
           Charged attacks just don’t exist anymore, I’m surprised she doesn’t work like Ayato where holding the button shoots repeatedly (or at least I haven’t seen it showcased)

   • No reason to write all that when people are just going to flock over to the Sweaty-Calculation Excel Spreadsheet Archon Zajef anyway.

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7. i guess they hired a new dev team for alrecchino only, and immediately fired it after her release

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8. I just had a nice dinner, went outside and smoked a really good quality copium, and I got an epiphany: I saw Hoyo is cooking a powerful pyro off-fielder on Natlan, who will dethrone Guoba. Her initial is “M”. She would be the staple for Clorinde’s overload team. Example: Clorinde, Fischl, Chevreuse, M. Since Clorinde attacks really fast, this team would trigger so many overloads. Also M’s c2 would involve def ignore, which would make Clorinde’s overload team overall damage skyrocket.

   Btw the copium brand is Sherwin Williams’ smoky blue. It has a pretty distinct flavor, perfect for after-dinner. 🌝

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   • I bet the M stands for Murata, right?

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     • MBalanque obvs

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9. Halo I want to get clorinde here. How many second thundering fury can remove cooldown time? sorry for my english 🙂

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   • Can basically cut cooldowns in half if you get consistent reactions, which sucks for overload. Will have like a couple seconds downtime in aggravate which isn’t bad.

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   • All of them. Yeah, since she attacks really fast, it’s possible to get 0 downtime with Thundering Fury.

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10. here’s to hoping wuthering wave becomes successful so mihoyo gets competition
    coz god dang she seems like standard character

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    • nope. genshin still best game anime gacha game this era of anime open world game gacha. wuwu is shit game copy paste game lol genshin #1

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      • @iyot_ta_bai
        WuWa is not a copy paste of Genshin. even if you think so, then genshin is also a copy paste of Zelda.

        WuWa more like PGR but its open world.

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      • bait used to be believable

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    • you think hoyo is going to release op as f characters all the time just because of WW? go play hsr

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