216 responses to “Citlali”

1. I don’t care if she’s a support . I’m going to make a main dps out of her

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2. such a dilemma, mavuikaor citlali.

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3. I think the reason why she only decreases pyro and hydro res is because of Xilonen. If Citlali also include cryo on her res shred, it would be 3/5 of the element what Xilonen could support, of course Xilonen would still have higher res shred number, but the fact that shields are better than heals, if you’re not using Furina, as they provide a complete interruption resistance so less time dodging if no other mean to avoid attacks. Still, it is saddening as she would not buff much the cryo bullet of Chasca.

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4. Supports melt and freeze support but discriminates cryo characters who can melt and freeze. What a disappointment.

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   • Your life is more of a disappointment lil bro
     Get a job and help your family

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     • Fyi, using the last trendy teenager slang doesn’t make you sound very convincing “lil bro”. 😉

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   • It’s a really weird choice, yeah. Hydro Main DPS units don’t typically do Freeze teams, and the ones that do don’t need the help (Neuvillette). Ayato and Childe have their variants but that’s really just mob clearing teams, not a primary archetype.

     Granny is still pretty good in my book, but Cryo units are starving over here. All we can do is hope they have another character planned to fulfill that role. Kinda like how Navia and Chiori were great but didn’t have supportive prowess, so we had to wait for Xilonen to shake things up. Kachina helped too, I guess.

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     • “All we can do is hope they have another character planned to fulfill that role”

       LMAO yes, believe it

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   • If you don’t already have Shenhe, then yeah it could be awkward. Coming from someone who’s already invested enough as far as all the fuddy-duddy “muh meta” garbo goes, it doesn’t matter; Citlali’s kit is just another toy to play with. Want to see how she works with Yanfei, but it stinks that they gated the optimal part of that behind C2. That gets grossly mundane after so many times.
     Otherwise, Xiangling just has yet another Melt partner—this time whose “Circle Impact” also follows the character.

     Xiangling holds every polearm hostage, and now she’s going to hold a Natlan character hostage. Her Pyro application will proc faster than Citlali’s Cryo application will, without a doubt. So, inb4 Battle of the Melters.

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   • It would have been so great for sure =( They really don’t want cryo to be relevant at any point =( (Not for her being cryo but for teams to deal light blue dmg)

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5. Chasca, Citlali, Furina and Bennett is what ill be using (hopefully i win my 50/50). For those who plan to use this team or a similar one with off-field Citlali, Fruit of Fulfillment is unironically good for her as a 4 star Sumeru craftable.

   “Obtain the “Wax and Wane” effect after an Elemental Reaction is triggered, gaining 24 Elemental Mastery while losing 5% ATK. For every 0.3s, 1 stack of Wax and Wane can be gained. Max 5 stacks. For every 6s that go by without an Elemental Reaction being triggered, 1 stack will be lost. This effect can be triggered even when the character is off-field.” Seems good enough if u dont have/want to get her signature weapon. This effect is at R1 – goes up to 36 EM/stack (max 5).

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   • Or Magic Guide if you don’t need Fruit of Fulfillment’s 45.94% ER. It’s not craftable but you practically swim in the things after a few wishes, and 3* weapons are cheap to upgrade. 187 EM at level 90 and 24% damage against opponents effected by hydro or pyro at R5. Magic Guide and Citlali were basically destined to be together.

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     • Whilst that may be true, Citlali seems like she’s going to have off-field dmg and cryo application problems due to the short duration that her summon can be on the field due to the nightsoul point consumption rate.

       Bursting every rotation to gain more points with her seems like a must rn. Unless they fix her point consumption rate or buff the amount of points she can gain passively, Fruit of Fulfillment seems to be the better option even if u are loosing on some EM as the ER is too important.

       Without bursting every rotation (id count this as skill use) after u have used her skill, she cannot gain 50 points until the near end of her current rotation – she gets (skill included) 44 points. Citlali needs to burst every skill use for her skill to be fully utilised. That is unless im misreading her kit. If Citlali dint have these issues then id 100% use magic guide outside of Chasca teams in melt/freeze based teams.

       Oh and im pretty sure that even though bosses cant be froze, the reaction still occurs so Citlali’s res shred should still apply too. Havent used freeze based team enough to confirm even though I was a Ganyu main till Arleccino released. But i do faintly remember seeing the word Freeze when Cryo and Hydro reacted on a boss

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6. I still think that Ororon should’ve been the five star and I will die on that hill.

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7. Why her base ATK is so low. 127 is Wild

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   • Because she’s a support character mostly, so you won’t benefit from building ATK on her. Most of her abilities, especially her Shield from her Elemental Skill and her A4 Passive scale off of EM, which is what you’re supposed to build her around.

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   • everything in her kit is focused on EM (not her burst tho, but shes just there for the reaction damage), she will be a reaction AOE GOD,,, for pyro units anyways(maybe hydro? alot of freezing tho,, tbh they really should rework freezing), the damage is gonna be crazy with the pyro arcon. use her burst,, then swap over to the pyro arcon and use HER burst at 200%, i think the damage might go to a mil.. dunno but shes already pretty good. im getting both, and i want both of them with there wep at c2. you might not need another team for another 5 years after that.

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8. The one thing about her kit that concerns me is that she can’t enter her Nightsoul-Blessing state when off-field. The Cinder City set is great for her since she wants to be paired with Pyro or Hydro characters since she can reduce enemy’s resistance to those elements when triggering their respective reactions. Cinder City can then buff those allies damage by a huge 40%, but only while she’s on-field. She leaves the Nightsoul-Blessing state as soon as she leaves the field and doesn’t have a way to trigger it off-field unlike Ororon (Who can trigger it with his A1 passive) or Kachina (Who stays in her Nightsoul-Blessing state until she runs out of Nightsoul points). Cinder City can only give it’s full buff when the character is in the Nightsoul-Blessing state. We’ll have to swap to her often to make sure the Cinder City buff stays up at full power.

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   • No she leaves nightsoul when her skill buddy leaves the battlefield

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   • I don’t think your concerning assertion is correct.

     “Nightsoul’s Blessing: Citlali – When Itzpapa leaves the field, Citlali exits the Nightsoul’s Blessing state.”
     “Itzpapa – Itzpapa will follow the character.”
     “Itzpapa Duration: 20s”
     Assuming the current descriptions are correct then her Nightsoul’s Blessing state lasts until Itzpapa leaves, or 20 seconds. If Itzpapa were to leave when Citlali switches the description should specify that. Instead it says Itzpapa follows the character, implying the active character due to the absence of the aforementioned specification.

     “When Citlali’s Nightsoul points are fully depleted, Itzpapa’s Opal Fire state also ends”
     This part is saying that her E’s Frostfall Storm stops (not her Nightsoul’s Blessing state) when her Nightsoul points reach 0.

     C1: “When a nearby active character other than Citlali deals DMG, consume 1 Blade”
     Off field sub-dps characters cannot trigger her C1 so she wants someone else active to drive her C1.

     C6: “The Itzpapa summoned by Elemental Skill Dawnfrost Darkstar will always be in the Opal Fire state, and when Nightsoul points are exhausted, this state will not end.”
     “Itzpapa will consume all Nightsoul points, and while it is on the field, it will continuously consume Nightsoul points”
     Several parts of her kit generate Nightsoul points slowly for her. I’m not going to put the math here, but it comfortably fuels Itzpapa for its 15s cooldown without much surplus. If we assumed her Nightsoul’s Blessing state were to end when she switches out then her C6 asks that she remain on field for most of her E’s cooldown so Itzpapa builds the 60% damage buff for her teammates.

     This took longer than I intended and I want to be done, but hopefully I laid out enough to relieve your concern. Maybe you’ve seen gameplay proving otherwise; I haven’t seen any at all.

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   • When you trigger the effect while in nightsoul state, the buff gets a 20s duration. I don’t see any problem here. How is that swapping often.

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   • i’m more concerned about the skill’s, opal fire state’s, duration.
     Max was 20s, but it consume 8 NP/s with the minimum NP for activation being 50. 6s and it’s over.
     I know she recover a lot with reaction and nightsoul burst, but can anyone do the math? can she really last 20s

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9. how Is her C1 working? Is she buffing other characters attack 200% of her EM, or her own? that kinda seems like bennett buff on steroids

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   • Nope, its just like Shenhe’s buff where it just adds a flat amount to your active character’s attacks

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   • It’s a flat damage bonus. Think of units like Shenhe, Yun Jin, Sigewinne.

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   • “continuously consumes Nightsoul points to whip up a Frostfall Storm that attacks opponents within its AoE”. Considering Nilou Wheel has a 0.5ICD, I can hope there is the same here, but at least I presume the ICD will be 2.5s/3hit so depending the hit interval of “continuously” (probably 0.5~1s) we can wait a 3s CID for 20s in optimal way, wich is father more than other Cryo infuser can do.

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10. can she Apply enough cryo to pyro dps’s melt?

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    • Yep

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      • idk if its worth to pull for her only bc of the shield and res decrease
        like if you already have a lot of cryo characters what is the point

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        • shes not really for cryo characters, shes seems to be there for the pyro arcon…. as a reacation character, shes amazing…. dw cryo will have there spotlight when where in the cryo region, i have no doubts about that.

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    • On her own? Only with slower applicators (Gaming, for example). Fast Pyro DPS will need either a Hydro or second Cryo to consistently melt.

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    • It is not known yet, but the common consensus is that you will need double cryo for reliable melt

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    • her kit is more focused on shield and HIGH own dmg, %2400 of EM is crazy, on a reverse melt setup, i can almost say for sure thats shes dont gonna apply enough for a pyro dps alone, but, a melt/vape with a hydro helping? But almost for sure she’s gonna do a “some” steal melt setup

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      • i think she was designed for the pyro arcon. as her bike heavy attack spin works perfectly in line with her AOE attack timing. but she will slap with arlo still. i am so excited to get her and the arcon.

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    • Depends on who you use with. She won’t be enough alone for Yoimiya, Mavuika, maybe even Arlecchino by herself. So you use them in a double cryo setup with Citlali + Rosaria. The standard ICD 3-hit rule is gonna cause pyro to apply in a short amount of time and prevent cryo from being a dominant aura.

      For slow pyro applicators like Gaming or maybe Diluc plunge, sure.

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    • Technically can, but specialized for those with standard ICD. Most pyro dps will need two cryo so Citlali +another like Rosaria, especially for Arlecchino melt teams. I’m gonna use Citlali with a main dps pyro traveler, especially with the great event weapon we got, Calamity of Eshu.

      The characters I imagine that can melt with Citlali will be PMC, Mavuika, Arlecchino, and Gaming will be able to forward melt. Most of the time, better to just double cryo. Those forward melted hits will also have 15% more crit chance because of cryo resonance and the extra crit rate on a cryo-affected enemy.

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    • you bet, applies cryo every second in a aoe around the player… its better then kazuha’s burst cause it follows the player also and shreads pyro and hydro. so those teams no longer need a kazuha there for the shred. or the zong there for the shield, tho zong shield is still the tankest, and has a elemental overall shred as well, but a horrible reaction.

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