180 responses to “Charlotte”

1. giving cashflow supervision to her + 4-pc golden troupe to make her sub-dps

   sorry guys, as a catalyst-only main i had to draw a line in the sand, if hoyoverse is never going to make the distinction between brawlers and mages, then i’ll make it myself as a player, “clearly you’ve never seen mashle” “there are melee mages”, right, but the problem is no one is even acknowledging him as a mage, everyone’s running with the pugilist thing (getting supervision for him would be a waste anyway since he doesn’t even wield it, not even after plunging attacks, a first for a catalyst ever)

   don’t get me wrong, if you like characters like him and heizou feel free to rep them, honestly i just can’t, it’s disheartening to see people be like “he punches though he’s not a wizard tf is you talm ’bout” meanwhile he can equip the same weapon as mona who’s a literal witch ??? so yeah, charlotte’s the first cryo catalyst as far as i’m concerned

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   • I mean there are other none mage catalyst users too
     Heizou kicks people, Klee commits domestic terrorism, Baizhu gives you acupressure
     In Genshin having a catalyst doesn’t strictly mean you’re a mage, and that’s good for variety

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     • sorry but the original CN text for ‘catalyst’ (法器) literally translates to ‘MAGIC tool’

       even in in-game lore, catalyst is a weapon associated with people who wield magic, if you read the artifact descriptions of nymph’s dream, “…the hero would always wield a holy blade, while the mage might carry some kind of magical catalyst” (https://ambr.top/en/archive/reliquary/15029/nymphs-dream )

       there is no such thing as a non-mage catalyst user, also, baizhu and heizou i’d see where you’d be remiss but klee ? her mother is literally a near-omnipotent sorceress, said by albedo himself, when klee NA / CA / skill / burst there’s a floating book beside her, in her outfit description for ‘blossoming starlight’, kaeya literally asks her “red velvet mage klee, how do you plan to use your magic ?” (https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Blossoming_Starlight)

       headcanons that make heizou and wriothesley “punchy bois” and klee “domestic terrorist” is exactly why i think there needs to be more distinction in-game for catalyst as a weapon type, its one thing if people realize that its just headcanons but when people run with it like its a fact is when it starts to get under my skin

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       • A translation of the weapon means nothing frankly, and also catalyst in the translation Effectively means the same as it is a catalyst for the elements.
         Wriothesley being a “punchy boi” isn’t a headcanon it’s fact, his gauntlets are a catalyst for his cryo power but he himself does punch things.
         There is indeed magic involved (as all characters in genshin have some control over the elements through their visions) but that does not make the user a mage in the traditional sense. Wriothesley chooses to use the magic to enhance his existing boxing ability but his method of attack is still his fists.
         As far as Genshin is concerned catalyst is just a weapon type, and its the “anything goes” weapon type, as is obvious since a large number of catalyst users barely use the books or orbs directly.l, and characters like Neuvilette canonically wouldn’t need the weapon at all as his powers are inherent, so it exists for gameplay where another weapon type wouldn’t work, as Mihoyo clearly doesn’t intend to make gauntlets, astrology equipment, bombs or etc into independent weapon types.
         While catalysts in lore may be mage weapons, they are not in gameplay as I can bet Wriothesley wouldn’t canonically lug around a book (hence why his “weapon” is just an observation drone)
         There’s no reason to let it get under your skin.

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         • “a translation of the weapon means nothing” yes it does and your ignorance is very telling, you would rather stew in your delusions even as the facts are stacked against you

           “a large number of catalyst characters barely use the books or orbs directly” 9/16 of the catalyst users wield their catalyst during NA, that number rises to 11/16
           with CA, and 12/16 with skill – even heizou himself wields his catalyst after his final NA string, nahida after her third and after her CA, virtually all catalyst characters wield their catalyst after performing a plunging attack (until wriothesley)

           “neuvillette canonically wouldn’t need a catalyst” source ? i sourced all my arguments with things that exists in game, every statement i’ve given are based on canon lore, so source me – or are you yet again proving that you’ve confused your headcanons for fact ? not a single statement you have stated is backed by anything that exists in-game just pure speculative self-affirmations

           “just an observation drone” and yet its a weapon ? classified under catalyst ? and he wields it how ? how does “just observation drone” become a weapon ? what if he wields lost prayer or tome of the eternal flow or the widsith or magic guide ?

           your logic is flawed, first paragraph you say there’s magic involved, third paragraph you insinuate wriothesley’s not a mage ? the weapon of a mage is magic, a non-mage catalyst user is oxymoronic – either he is one or he isn’t which brings us back to my original point which was DISTINCTION

         • I insinuated there is magic involved in Wriothesley’s attacks, as all vision holders. But he is no more of a mage than Itto who also wields a magic weapon.

         • As for your plunging attack argument Wriothesley has an identical plunge to all catalyst users, so if by “wield” you mean the weapon materialising behind him then he still does that, just not after his plunge specifically

         • Bro seriously just leave the dude alone and let him argue with the wall. If he’s really that offended, he can play another game that accommodate his feelings.

   • “charlotte’s the first cryo catalyst as far as i’m concerned” and she uses Kamera for projecting ice (cryo). she ain’t any different from the “non-mage” catalyst user you spoke of.

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     • Oh yeah that’s true
       I guess a “real” cryo mage will never exist
       Either way I much prefer the steampunk stuff

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   • Witch? She’s an astrologist

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     • i don’t think we’re playing the same game because :

       1. she literally wears the archetypal witch’s hat

       2. she is the apprentice of barbeloth who is a member of the hexenzirkle (circle of WITCHES)

       3. her signature dish’s name is a direct reference to the play ‘faust’

       4. lisa’s in-game ‘about mona’ voice-line says, verbatim, that “…she is an excellent mage…”

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       • Yes, but she is an astrologist, which fits the major theme of constellations in genshin

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2. Okay, thoughts on Charlotte Furina synergy:
   In a Neuv+Furina+Charlotte+Kazuha team

   1st rotation starts off slow since everyone starts max hp
   But 2nd rotation on, everyone except Neuvilette should be left around 50% hp
   This means using Furina ult then Charlotte ult should gain 150 (450 at C2) fanfare, which then Furina’s and Neuvilette’s HP drain will get the rest.
   Jean can do the same but in Neuv teams he won’t want 2 anemos (and Kazuha is preferred over Jean.)

   Charlotte is a pretty good healer but with high energy requirements, and a lot of Neuvilette/Furina users will get her anyway so there’s some synergy at least.

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3. Baimidzhu and Kokopium “mains” must be in shambles right now because she pretty much does the same job as them with similar results but Charlotte is a 4* so easier to get cons on which improve your healing and ER. She will most likely be on Furina’s banner anyways which people will dump their wishes on so it’s a big plus! Dumb those old powercreeped characters and embrace the new Fontaine meta!

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   • Huh? Both Koko and Baizhu have 2 healing abilities instead of 1 so no idea what you’re even talking about. She’s cryo so she can’t replace them in any of their comps either with much weaker offfield presence.

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   • did you copypaste the same comment you posted before? im disappointed i expected better from you smh

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   • Oh you’re back how lovely, how’s floptaine doing?
     Also Charlotte is… not that good, she’s fine sure but she is not competing with Baizhu or Koko

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     • I’m just chilling man, let me rest some more

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   • bruh. This is not 1.0 genshin. Nowadays getting any 4 star c6 now is harder than just getting one 5 star. If you do have spare wishes just get baizhu or kokomi once she rerun. It’s easier and more effective to get compare to getting a c6 4 star to make it work. Until they do something with the 4 star pity it will be remain as a problem.

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4. I just wanna say that if Charlotte doesn’t shout “Freeze Frame!” in one of her combat voice lines, I’m going to be disappointed.

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5. why even bother making her an atk scaler and giving cryo dmg bonus if her damage is gonna be so bad anyways?

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6. What’s with 4 sec. field duration, 20 sec. cd bruh

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   • a good healer for all teammates but only c6
     4 sec / 20 sec colddown /80 without any addtional healing in c0

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     • C6? The healing from C6 is paltry at best

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       • Ah, my bad. Missed the C6/C1 synergy (282% ATK total heal)

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7. After getting Wrio,
   I sincerely hope Charlotte atleast has a nice feel to her play style.

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8. a journalist, huh? like buzzfeed journalist or “granted the CIA’s highest journalism award” journalist?

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   • iirc the reason why she got sent out on the road to cover the TCG event was bc she caught too much heat covering a story on someone powerful in Fontaine so yep probably towards the CIA awardee side

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     • that aint working on any realistic/semi-realistic scenario but then again genshit writing and lore is just an ultra mediocre mishmash of things at best

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9. I can’t wait to do some DPS wise Charlotte, I just hope I can actually get her.

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   • set?

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10. Is she capable of doing any damage?

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    • With Shenhe yes, alone, not really

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    • I think it’s a Layla situation with more energy needs and less split scaling. She can sneak in some damage (even if it’s not stellar) and a good number of her comps will have a way of indirectly boosting her damage output (Shenhe, Kazuha. Mona, etc).

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    • Since my Layla has 4pc Tenacity already, I think i’ll avoid using that set on Charlotte for now (Koko is another potential user, so 3 would be absolute overkill). I like this girl a lot but Layla, Mika, Diona, and even Qiqi is enough Cryo survivability to last 1000 lifetimes. Maybe R5 Oathsworn with… uh… to hell with it, 4pc Golden Troupe with ATK/Cryo/Crit for the most painful SubDPS/Healer Hybrid build the world has ever seen. I’m not even going to mention the teams she’d be in for this mess of a build, the “Supportive Off-field Cryo Unit” position has been done to death so you know the drill. She won’t even have to try in half of them thanks to 3-man Hyperbloom + Flex teams being a thing.

      It’s weird that there are so many Cryo-friendly teams and yet they all feel a bit dull… Same deal with Cryo units. There are like 4 teams (Dendro Flex, Melt, Freeze/Mono, Phys). The worst part is Phys and Dendro Flex are starting to fuse if Freminet/Eula Hyperbloom are anything to go off of. And we’re getting our… fourth defensive 4* Cryo unit. If it wasn’t for Freminet, that would have made 3 in a row. Hydro can’t even make a full team of 4* units until Sigewinne releases, and here Cryo is making two full 4* teams when you add them all up.

      God this element needs some fresh air. Toss out more Geo units or something, you cowards.

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      • Comment Glitch, this was meant to be its own, ranty, malding, comment 🙁

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    • Going for damage I think her C6 would be good since its considered a burst and is on a 6 second cooldown. You could use the Emblem set which would fix her high ER issue and you also benefit from her having high ER to increase the burst damage.

      While you do damage with other characters you can heal and get a passive burst from her every 6 secs.
      Just my 2cents.

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    • It really depends on what you define as “damage”. Every character is equipped with a set of Normal Attacks, and they usually deal damage to most enemies. Most characters have skills that deal damage. And most have bursts that deal damage. So on and so forth. In the most clear cut way, yes she deals damage. But you’re probably asking if her damage is worth investing in. Other people have given you answers to that. Personally, I am going to build her as an on-field DPS because that’s the funny way. It’s how I run my Diona too, and it is also very funny to see in action. You may interpret my answer as an advertisement for unconventional and “off-meta” builds, which I strongly believe everyone should give a try some day. Seriously, there’s a lot of fun in the game people don’t even think about because it won’t bag them full star abyss clears.

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      • “Seriously, there’s a lot of fun in the game people don’t even think about because it won’t bag them full star abyss clears.”

        Best thing I’ve read and agreed with about Genshin in a long long time.

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        • See, you get it. For once, I’d like to see some theorycrafter out there dedicated to investigating builds that follow this. Niche, off-meta, unconventional, unthinkable, etc. Every other TCer out there is only concerned with clearing abyss asap. They are curbing half the fun in not exploring these unventured domains. I do understand why. Abyss is their focus, and pretty much everyone else’s. But I believe even the lowest of the low of characters can bring fresh air to those willing to explore. Genshin’s combat is intricately designed; it truly is a deep avenue the majority of the player base don’t think about. With people’s adherence to the meta… it’s almost a stark contrast to the story nature of the game. This narrative pushing the wonders of exploration. Seeing what’s new, seeing what awaits. Straying far from the cities, and going into the thick of the jungle; into the deep of the sea. Though, the common words of many is what most just listen to also. “Do this, do that, don’t use this character, don’t do that”, for success. It grants results, yes. That in of itself is fun. But like I said, it’s only half the fun there. People don’t cheer on the underdogs in a game for nothing. It’s one thing to main T0 teams, another to stick to T4+. But a mesh of all, forgoing “synergy” and “viability” in the hopes of finding fun is what I truly believe this game is about. But in the end, the word of the meta is de facto. I won’t be able to express this message much anyway. Because people will only see it as a “cope” for poor abyss runs. Meta does have its loyalists, after all.

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          • I cooked up a Forward melt Dehya rotation that uses Shenhe as one of the supports lmao, yes it works, yes it’s viable. Although the team needs a lot of investment to have dps comparable to mono-pyro (I’m sick of Xiangling AAAaA), it does beat the usual Dehya hypercarry teams easily BUT you’ll see slightly lower Dehya numbers (no Bennet)

            If I had Lynette C1 I’m also thinking of the chance for some synergy with Furina and Aloy, but I’ll have to make do with Sucrose or Faruzan once she drops I guess.

            Barbara as a burgeon vape driver is actually really strong lmao, and I haven’t even tested the Neuvi’s book I got for her with the new marechaussee set I also got

            Qiqi as a physical on-fielder with prototype rancour and clam is really funny too

            Atk/Atk/Crit Razor for both Physical and Aggravate damage is great too, might even include some Hydro in there and C6 Diona for EM and that’s a decent team right there, making EM not entirely useless as substat for a mainly Physical unit

            And not entirely off-meta but something I feel important to mention, Venti just dominates any content in which his burst can pull enemies in. Overworld camps, multi-wave events, floors 9-11, domains, daily comissions, you name it, he clears. IMO his value is way higher than people claim just for the comfort he gives on pretty much all content that isn’t floor 12.

    • It’s some decent damage for an off-field character. She can reverse melt several hits of her skill, and her hold skill has a total of 788.8% scaling at level 9 or 928% at level 12. That’s some significant damage, especially considering she has a CD reset on her skill as part of her A4. C6 further increases her damage output with 2 additional hits of 180% scaling each. I’d expect her to be a strong healer/subDPS for Pyro DPS like Lyney and Hydro DPS in Freeze teams.

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    • The real question is : do you read the skill description ?

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