299 responses to “シロネン”

1. why every one say c2 is nerf for geo ?? isn’t it say dmg dealt 40% ??? so if Character doing 10k dmg become 14k ?? i am lost ???

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   • Yes you are lost
     In most places when you see the term “DMG”, they all stack additively. This can be elemental DMG, NA DMG, Charged atk DMG and so on. 1 exception is Crit DMG, that is counted separately.

     Assume your xilonen already has 200% DMG from character buffs, artifact, weapon sets etc combined. Her c2 will raise it to 240%, which is actually 25% increase in dmg. So your dmg will go to 12.5k, not 14k. 200% is arbitrary, it can be higher for some characters, lower for others. The higher it is, the lower the dmg increase from c2. The lower your total DMG% from other sources is, the higher dmg increase from c2.

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   • C2 is good for Geo, even more now the geo sample stays active off field at C2.

     People talk about nerf because V1 C2 Xilonen had +30% Crit Rate for geo chars and got changed to +40% dmg bonus. +40% dmg bonus is less amazing but still very good.

     Just note that this 40% dmg bonus add to the other sources you have (geo cup, geo res, external buffs like 2p Obsidienne, 4p Natlan support set or Furina’s buff), so it’s not a straight +40% DPS. but still a nice increase to have.

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     • i also see this as a QoL update and not a nerf. Sure 30% crit rate would be a bit better than straight dmg% but you would also need to eventualy rebuild your characters for her because you might end up with more than 100% crit rate on your already well build characters. With the straight dmg bonus you can just keep all your builds

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   • it’s the same wording as mona, furina and serpent spine damage bonuses for example. They all stack together with other damage bonus multipliers. Mona’s omen does not straight up increase your damage by 60% and you can check it with any of those characters.

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   • to me still remains a retard move
     and we just have one fact, not just an opinion (mine), to proof rate is better than dmg: artifact shit rng.
     Do you even know the value to get an extra 30% rate?

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   • actually a Xilonen’s buff, no one wants crit rate as a support buff, you want crit in your BUILD. A support should increase your DMG%, not stability (you must work in artifacts if you want better stability). Look kazuha/furina/bennet/nahida/sucrose/etc they increase your DMG scaling instead of a CHANCE to increase your dmg…. that’s why they are OP. Xilonen seems broken, kazuha with heal, prob his replacement after years.

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   • cuz it used to be +30% crit rate i guess ?

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2. Despite not having any synergy with Itto in the idealized Itto mono-geo team, Xilonen would be a super strong contender for best geo teammate for Itto in a double geo team.

   For one, transitioning Itto from the premium, one-tone mono-geo teams to a more flexible team setting not restricted or limited to premium teammate options like the repeat Zhongli + Chiori or be indefinitely glued to Gorou. What would be lost from the absence of Gorou’s DEF and Geo damage buff plus those particles generated within the base kit to the 60% crit damage at C6 can be made up for with supports and other teammates from other elements that not only would buff Itto, but provide their own non-negligible damage. One of those is Yelan, who would also wield a Fav bow like Gorou would typically carry, but also provides the ramp-up damage bonus and coordinated attacks that Itto will trigger when regaining Superlative Super Strength stacks. That leads to the next reason.

   The pivotal teammate for an Itto double geo team that can compete and even has an edge against his mono-geo teams is Furina. As we know, Xilonen will only trigger healing on active character in a team composed of two PHEC elements. Xilonen without her C2, within a mono-geo team, also can’t shred geo resistance from off field. So the two important feats for XIlonen as a support needs her in a double PHEC team, which you’d throw Itto in. Furina in an Itto team is a pretty major QoL upgrade. Not only will Furina provide respectable damage off field and give up to 75% damage bonus, which also affects geo characters who didn’t have Kazuha of their own (although moot point with the new Scroll set), but Furina also enables Itto to move on from the outdated Husk of Opulent Dreams set in a resin-inefficient domain to the more modern and strong Marechaussee Hunter set. So, while missing out on 60CV in Crit DMG from Gorou’s C6, Itto gains 72CV from the 36 crit rate from Marechaussee Hunter. The abundance of DMG bonuses from Furina, geo resonance, the Scroll set, Marechaussee 2pc, and even Yelan as flex 4th slot encourages a goblet with DEF% main stat. An ER sands also wouldn’t sacrifice too much either, especially as energy becomes a more potent problem for Itto with only one other geo teammate.

   And the last point is that Xilonen is more obtainable than C6 Gorou, especially when 4* characters aren’t guaranteed and people generally aren’t looking highly into Itto constellations unless they are hardcore Itto mains. Xilonen will also have Scroll of the Hero being far better on her than Exile on Gorou, which is quite a niche 4* set really only applicable to Gorou builds.

   And there you have it- while Xilonen helps very little for Itto in mono-geo, she opens up avenues for Itto to join double geo teams like Noelle wet rock, Navia hot rock, or a plethora of other team combinations. It opens up room for Furina to fit comfortably into Itto teams and give him a new set to rock with. The renewed Itto team will also save Gorou for a Noelle on other half of abyss (rare case though) or save Zhongli for the team on other half, even a Zhongli – Chiori core. If you wanna rock an updated Itto mono geo team, there is always Kachina who can rock the Scroll set, even when its a downgrade to the other mono geo options, leaving those other options for teams on other half of abyss.

   Perhaps, Xilonen is the very key to get Itto out of the prison of mono-geo and out of the grasps of Itto’s 3-geo buff dependency.

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3. I’m reading this and she seems like a character from this game called warframe. The character’s name was octavia and she was busted. She did everything and allowed for essentially every kind of buff. This reads like that.

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4. Is her C1 relevant at all? other than Xilolen DPS?

   With the “nerf” on the GEO buff of her C2 + updated on the weapon banner that makes it easier to reach the pity + buff on her weapon, i guess it`s better to just go for C0R1. You will get basically the same effect of her C2 but with less primos spent

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   • her c2 geo i think someone say is buff not nerf it’s like mona ult buff

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     • Got a source for that?

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     • it’s the same wording as mona, furina and serpent spine damage bonuses for example. They all stack together with other damage bonus multipliers. Mona’s omen does not straight up increase your damage by 60% and you can check it with any of those characters.

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5. that hero set is too strong to not be so conditional
   and hoyoscam never fails to manipulate people to pull new charas
   did you read that? “when a party MEMBER triggers” etc.
   not the wielder
   hence: if you use xilonen with different teams, she doesn’t get energy
   which is ok but what I mean is that to have the full bonus you need both the wielder and team members to be from natlan

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   • Doesn’t she trigger the 2p by herself ? She is a party member after all.

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     • Yes, she would trigger the 2-Piece bonus by herself – even solo.

       To test in game, equip Kachina with 2-Piece Hero set, solo party. Deal Elemental DMG to opponent and trigger Nightsoul Burst.
       Elemental Energy increases without any particles generated from mobs.

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     • Indeed, it does not say “OTHER party member” or “a party member besides Xilonen/wielder”.

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   • Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City:
     “2-Piece Bonus
     When a nearby party member triggers a Nightsoul Burst, the equipping character regenerates 6 Elemental Energy.”

     The tutorial for “Nightsoul Burst”
     “When your party contains a character from Natlan, when a character deals Elemental DMG to an opponent, a Nightsoul Burst will be triggered. The more characters from Natlan you have in your party, the shorter the CD before another Nightsoul Burst may be triggered: When you have 1/2/3 or more characters from Natlan in your party, the CD between Nightsoul Bursts will be 18/12/9s respectively.”

     TLDR; You only need one Natlan character in party (eg Xilonen) to trigger the 2-Piece Bonus regardless of who is holding the Hero set.

     If you have ANY character from Natlan in your party (Xilonen), any character in your party can trigger Nightsoul Burst if they can deal Elemental DMG to an opponent (triggering 2-Piece Bonus on the Hero set for Xilonen). Nightsoul Burst is not exclusive to being triggered by Natlan characters; it ONLY requires having at least 1 character from Natlan in your party. Unless your party only deals physical damage outside of the Hero set wielder, you will get Nightsoul Burst procs and 2-Piece Hero set procs.
     Having multiple characters from Natlan simply reduces the CD between Nightsoul Bursts so you could get extra procs of the 2-Piece Bonus each rotation depending on rotation length and number of Natlan characters.

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   • I believe every party member can trigger it as long as there is a natlan unit in team

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   • Yeah, manipulating people into pulling new characters is how live service gachas work. You’re also wrong and stupid.

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6. my question is simple.
   what happens if you use GEO MC, Kachina, and Xiloen bursts at the same time? xiloen plunge?

   does everything resonates like crazy?

   if so then we can also play her like freeze teams, fill everyone with ER, and spam ults non stop.

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   • what?

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   • Riiiiight somehow I thought Geo construct resonance was a default geo thing.

     its a secondary ability of Zhong Li Pillar.

     just another abandoned geo ability I guess

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     • ngl I would love to have a new geo with same skill but buffed damage, will make zhongli c1 actually worthwhile

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