1,760 responses to “Nahida”

1. My thoughts on Nahida:

   * Off-field Nahida: EM/DENDRO%/CRIT
   – Quicken / Spread
   – Bloom / Hyperbloom
   – EM / DENDRO% / CRIT
   – 800EM are enough

   * On-field Nahida:
   – Bloom / Hyperbloom / Bountiful
   – EM / EM / EM
   – The more EM the better, since Nahida is triggering the bloom reaction and blooms scale with EM only (and level but it will be 90 obviously), for Quicken / Spread better she is off-field.

   * Comps:
   Megabloom: Nahida on field, XQ, Fischl and Sucrose (can reach +1.5K EM)
   Bountiful: Nahida on field, XQ, Kokomi/Barbara, Nilou
   Glass Canon bountiful: Nahida on field, XQ, Yelan, Nilou (Survival mode)
   Quicken: Nahida off field, Yae, Fischl, [Anemo char]

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   • my thoughts on Nahida is 4pc full EM Maiden with Prototype Amber R5 + Raiden C2 + full EM Kazuha C2 + Yae C2 from next banner
     idk maybe Fischl is better then Raiden specifically for aggravate, but something tells me Raiden’s raw damage + aggravate with 450 EM + recharge function >> whatever Fischl can do from off-field

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   • people wondering what is ghe best for each comps she has (bloom, burn, aggrevate)

     i have 2pc GD+WT, Wandering evenstar

     Total stats is:
     1004 em, 62/150 crcd, 145% er, 1600atk

     So i can throw her in any available team comps without bother for changing artifact/weapon. Decent but flexible is better than big pp damage for me (spyral abyss is ez)

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   • You aren’t the voice of reason, Hyulia. You and others with the same mindset should just be ignored, as you want people to use specific sets and think that this game is “competitive” (where?) and that there is “competitiveness” (where?). Stop posting propaganda.

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     • Propaganda? bruh? I just posted my thoughts (read the first line of the post)

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2. Why both of her ascension mat and skill ascension use plain pollen? i mainly use electro and pyro so it’s just hard to collect them lol

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   • then don’t use them to farm it….

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   • then use freeze comp or geo comp…

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3. I just realized that she wont come with Layla anymore.

   Welp, I give in to this predatory corporate tactics anyway.

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   • It’s not predatory if you’re fully aware of what is going on. lol Just don’t pull on the banner and wait for Layla to show up again elsewhere. Or even show up in some random pull later on.

     “Giving in” is just your own gambling addiction at play.

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     • Gacha/lootbox games are literally funded by the gambling addiction they create in their victims. It is the only purpose of a gacha game. That is why there isn’t a single good gacha/lootbox game.

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       • I do wonder what the ratio of paying customers (beyond just Welkin/BP) and F2P really is – in Genshin at least. What we do know is that there is a fair bit of people playing for free (which typically means saving Primogems for a long time and pulling only a few characters sparingly each year).

         Genshin makes their pull rates publicly known and the kits of characters is described in detail. Anyone who thinks that a 0.600%-1.600% chance to pull a 5-star character is worth blowing a ton of money on has an issue that goes beyond just playing online RPG games.

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         • we live in bubble economy, many people earn ton of money just scratching their ass for few hours per day, now even at remote work from home.. and for them blowing few hundred bucks for thrill of gacha isnt big deal as they are getting money without much effort

         • Show me some statistics that details Genshin’s sales distribution based on geographical region and a complete survey of their customer’s income per year.

     • you are naive if you think they are not using manipulative tactics. In fact, I would think you are already caught by the bait and held by the hook.

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       • @ OZ:
         Baited by what? Do you know how much I’ve spent on Genshin? You have zero material proof to back up such an egregious assumption.
         I’ve already explained out how easy it is to see how Genshin works and how to avoid overspending. You’re the naive one.
         Having money and having knowledge are not the same. It’s up to the customer to educate themself and learn about how a game’s monetization system works before they pull out their wallet.

         But go ahead. Make more delusional assumptions about me for calling out people who dump money into something they don’t care to understand – even when all the information is publicly available. It’s a customer’s ignorance, not manipulation.

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         • yup. you are naive.

         • Yup, you’re using personal attacks to defend the ignorance of others.

       • Also, here’s how to avoid being ignorant: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/jgfoyl/the_price_of_gacha_pulls_in_genshin_impact/

         Only naive people blame others for their own laziness. Educate yourself and don’t just mindlessly pull on banners with your hard-earned money. Take the time to learn where your money is going. Simple. You’re welcome, OZ. 😀

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   • Layla is mid anyway

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4. WITCH IS HER ASCENSION SKILL? CIT DAM? CRIT RATE? ATK? EM? ELEMENTAL SKILL? ER? WHAT

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   • Waifuness.

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   • https://imgur.com/a/GZu1lsb

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   • If you can’t read her stats sheet for yourself it probably means you don’t know how to read, so me writing this doesn’t help you.

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   • if you mean ascension stat dude, it’s right there, bonus em my dude…

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   • Her ascension in her stats…
     115 EM

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   • em is her ascension bonus stat

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5. Help me with this

   So I have 2 builds for her 1 is 4p GD 1 is 4p DM and the crit stats look like 36:177 for GD and 40:147 for DM (at base without the ascension buff) and in both the builds I give her (em em crit) as I don’t have any good dendro goblet and in GD she is crossing 1k em(1063) in DM she is around 800em~900em idontremember… what build do I use?

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   • I’d say DM

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   • Is there a reason to not trying them out when she releases? I’d say try them out to see which is better.

     but to answer the question, my best guess wound be the DM set. (Especially if she is going to be an off-field Dendro enabler) The DG set is really good for the DPS so you can get more CR/CD stats. While the DM set is more for an off-field enabler or have a good elemental mastery stat with decent CR/CD.

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   • i will give her the classic, atk%. dendro%, critdmg cup, thats 1.6k atk, 250 em, 50 rate 220 damage, widsith, em set, then i can buff her 900 EM easy , ik i rl the world :3 this is like 60k+ E hits fullbuffed theorycrafted

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     • Mm I calculated these stats assuming I get her bis wpn also yeah the width is freaking broken but it’s passive last 10sec so you proc her like 4 times in that duration…and i wanted to ask this coz smh I can’t waittt and I don’t know how to calc dmg+ to test them out I won’t know what dmg to look at with the 2 sets 1 improve rxn and overall team buff other improve dendro dmg having them come down to similar results

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   • nahida works in a lot of comps so it depends:
     -go dm if you cannot spare anyone else in your team wearing dm set or nahida doesn’t trigger reactions aka when she enables reactions (gd doesn’t procc otherwise) and only when your dendro dmg matters (bloom f.e. is always dendro and it doesn’t matter what bloom reaction you trigger or in what order, aggrevate in the other hand is electro so no dm for aggrevate). also always use it when you play her in solo or in coop.
     -go gd when she triggers reactions, her dmg is relevant (talent and/or reaction based) and someone else in your team has dm.
     -go 2x2p atk/2x2p em/2p atk 2p em (small difference here) if you just want her for her talent dmg (but why should you?), when she never triggers a reaction (otherwise gd) and someone else has dm. (I just mentioned it to cover all cases but still why should anyone do this and especially below c6? her talent dmg alone isn’t the greatest)
     -go tenacity when you use her for electro aggrevate support (more electro applications then dendro).
     -go also tenacity when you use her as a pyro applier via burning with someone like bennett for a reverse melt team.

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6. I have one more question I need answered before I pull for her…

   Can Beidou snapshot her EM buff for boosted off-field aggravate?

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   • no

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   • Nobody can snapshot EM buffs. EM is not snapshottable. It was a change made back on Venti’s first rerun.

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   • oh okay, that’s unfortunate

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7. Can someone tell me if I should get either Albedo or Nahida? I’ve been wanting Albedo since 1.1 and lost ALL 50/50s on him lol. I wanted to use him in a Zhongli/Albedo/Cyno/DMC comp. But I can’t get Nahida off my mind… would the bonus damage/EM she provides be good if DMC already gives some EM when using the burst? Someone come to my aid…

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   • If you use Visa or Master Card you can get them both.

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     • Very wise.

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   • Why didn’t you just save enough to guarantee Albedo before? You wasted a lot of Primos over the years. Patience would have helped you a lot.
     Anyways, since you already have a specific team in mind, might as well get Albedo to complete the team first. Get Nahida later to replace the DMC.

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     • Every time I saw his Rerun coming, either a new character I liked was coming out too, or he was running along side someone I also wanted.. but yeah, patience would have helped a lot.

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       • If you always wanted someone else, then clearly you don’t really care about Albedo.

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       • Apply the same logic here again. Go for the new character. :I

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       • If someone else has always been taking priority, then you don’t really want Albedo that much. Time to face up to that fact. If this has already been happening to you for 2 years, it’s not like it’s going to get better in the future, they’re only going to be adding more character banners.

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         • dawg wth is your problem? the op just wanted to know who’s better between nahida and albedo for his team comp.

   • If you want to get the “best” character meta-wise, probably Nahida is the choice. She looks like a really good EM support and also works as a sub-DPS because she has good DMG (It makes sense that the dendro archon is good , the same way the other are really good also). Albedo works on pretty much every team and is a good sub-DPS but I think that there are less situations on which he’s the better choice and he’s BIS only in Geo-DPS teams(Itto, Noelle)

     I also like Albedo a lot but when he’s up there’s always another character I like more next to him, very unlucky.

     That said, if you think you’d rather have Albedo, pull for him. In the end we just play for fun and both characters are considerably good overall. Consider which character would you miss the most if they weren’t going to have a rerun never again.

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     • Maybe you’re right. I’ll be pulling him tbh, thanks for commenting!

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       • actually since you live Albedo so much you should go and get it, no more thinking. Tho I got Albedo on his debut but when I see a rerun I say thank goodness no more future characters have to be compromised for the love of Albedo.
         So best is to get Albedo first then gamble it on nahida like I did for Albedo and Ganyu lols.

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       • If you missed out on albedo’s bis event sword and don’t plan on maining noelle, itto, maybe hutao then it’s really hard justifying his spot on a team.

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   • Does anyone know if a Cyno/Nahida/Zhongli comp would work better with Yelan or Kazuha?

     In my specific situation (Every character is C0) my Kazuha has almost 1000EM and iron sting, Yelan has Elegy of the end R1, 37KHP, 60CrtRate, 150CrDMG. I feel like Yelan’s Damage is really high and I can do hyperblooms(while also doing quicken, but I don’t know how consistent every reaction would be) triggered by Cyno who would have close to 800 EM(counting Nahida’a buffs). On the other side, i feel like Kazuha is really synergic with Cyno and Nahida and he also provides the Electro DMG% bonus while having good dmg himself.

     What do you say?

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   • Do you have Albedo’s sword Cinnabar? If yes, then go ahead pull for him. Nahida is an archon so her rerun will be pretty quick compared to the others. But Albedo… you probably won’t be able to see him again for another year.

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   • I have Albedo. He’s nice. If you water pulling for him because you just want him, do it. If you are pulling for power, I have a feeling Nahida has him beat. The advantage Albedo has is the universality of Geo. There aren’t many enemies immune to it, he can work in many teams without screwing up reactions, he’s easy to build for off field damage (Harbinger of Dawn/defense main stats), but his BiS weapon was limited to an event and his BiS artifact set is a pain to farm (they all are, but most characters can get benefit from sets other than their BiS, Albedo less so). His major drawback is that most teams don’t need Albedo, he’s basically always going to be second choice if you are trying to build optimally, except in a few teams. Though, I will say, nobody else has an elevator. As a Klee lover, being able to get up high in combat without spending time climbing Zhongli’s pillar is wonderful! I intended to run Zhongli, Abedo, Klee, Nahida burning for some silly fun.

     Dendro is an interesting element. It’s not as weak as Geo in it’s reactions in terms of consuming the other elements, but it’s also unreactive at all with Geo, Anemo, and Cryo. it’s reaction with Pyro benefits forward vape and reverse melt, it makes Electro a major DPS contender, and it turns soup teams into bloom chaos and death. Nahida, specifically, looks to be a reaction booster of the highest caliber, so if you are running reaction teams she’ll be phenomenal, and she looks like she’ll provide off field damage without screwing things up in a surprising number of teams. after running some math, she looks to hit close to Albedo’s off field numbers, but on up to 8 enemies at once. She does need a lot of EM, though, and EM main stats are hard to get. other than that, though she has phenomenal craftable and 3* weapon options, and gets great benefit from EM and attack set bonuses, so even just passively farmed Wanderer’s and Gladiator’s pieces work on her in a pinch (I use those on so many characters, and have found that when not BiS on that character, they still aren’t to far behind the theoretical damage I’d do if I had the same stats on their BiS).

     TL;DR: Albedo is great, universal (though seldom optimal). I think Nahida will beat him on power level, if not quite on flexibility though I think it’s close there. Genshin is more about pulling because you like the character for story, personality, or play style over power, though. unless you are trying to speed run abyss, that is. So pull with your heart, and there will always be another rerun!

     And if the TL;DR is too long (which it is): pull who your heart calls you to.

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     • Probably the best anwser I’ve ever got on this question lol, thank you!

       That said, I feel like Nahida would be a better choice meta wise (obviously) and for gameplay (I can play her as a driver, spread carry, and as I said before, a support for Cyno (which will give more SUBDPS and EM than Albedo would.))
       Thanks for all the replies, I’ll wait for another Albedo rerun and make sure to get him that time.

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   • Mmh, so the problem with Cyno Spread/Aggravate comps is that he is EXTREMELY ER reliant (burst cost is 80 energy), so I think the better 4th slot rather than Albedo is actually an Electro. Nahida is more likely to sub for DMC and won’t really compete for Albedo’s slot. But Cyno Aggravate comps really want 2x Electro + 1x Dendro + Flex (Nonreacting element, Zhongli is very good here).

     As far as how good Nahida+Cyno is, I don’t know for sure and won’t know until her release.

     Albedo will really shine in comps where you only need 1 strict pair since you always want Albedo with double geo (usually Albedo+Zhong, Albedo+Ning is good too). He’s really good with pairs like Jean+Xiao, HuTao+Xingqiu, or Eula+Electro. Since Cyno Aggravate needs 3 slots (Cyno + Dendro + Battery) Albedo won’t shine as much as he normally does with a double Geo setup.

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     • I’d be using Cyno, Fischl, Albedo and DMC, but as I’m now focused on Nahida, it will be Cyno, Fischl, Zhongli and Nahida. For Hyperbloom, I could just replace Zhongli with Yelan/Xingqiu. I’m using 4pc Glad on Cyno and managed to get 140% ER, so I don’t really have energy problems. Nahida low burst cost will really help too.

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8. The best EM set I could give her is double atk%: one shime and one echoes, 660 EM total, but 38 crit rate and 138 dmg. On traveler it works very well, I hope it will work as well on nahida, what do you think? with sacrificial fragments and her ascension should be 995 EM, so almost max rate bonus, and a pretty decent crit balance as well.

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   • I would say go for it. You can use Albedo/C6 Diona/C2 Kazuha/EM Kuki or EM Raiden with 4pc Guilded Dream in your party to make up for the extra EM
     I will use 2pc Wonderers + 2 pc Guilded Dream with EM/EM/Dendro for my Nahida, a full EM Raiden with Guilded Dream, Deepwood Xingqiu for Dendro Shred, Full HP Tenacity Zhongli in my Nahida team.
     My Nahida base EM is about 750 (from artifacts and traits), will get another 150 EM from Raiden’s artifacts set bonus, plus another 250 EM from Nahida’s passive as Raiden has 1014 EM which Nahida’s burst will convert.
     I can have as high as 1150 EM on Nahida while maintaining 80% Crit Rate, 140% Crit Dmg + additional Dmg Bonus
     Nahida is a very flexible character, just use whatever artifacts with best substats you have right now, you can always try to replace and improve them later if you want

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     • You’re not getting anything from Guilded Dream if it is on another character.

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       • @whoa dude
         no, just crap from that set
         and i dont need to explain why, considering everybody knows how crap farming is

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     • thx man much appreciated

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9. The theocrafting team has finished their analysis. Because Dendro reactions are so much worse than the two meta teams, Nahida is the worst archon yet for damage – even more useless than Zhongli.

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   • I hope this is also the final bait.

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   • Good, now I can put Nahida on my Physical Xhongli team.

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   • so Her Excellency Almighty Raiden Shogun is the only true archon so far. Makes sense

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   • Weaksauce young troll. to get better
     You have. Yrsssss.

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   • in dps, yes, she is a layman. Might consider building her into instructor’s user with >1000 em, she’ll make a good support.

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   • We are the Akademiya and we approve this message.

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   • Theorycrafters (as well as people such as you) should be ignored as they ARE NOT THE VOICE OF REASON (same with you). This game isn’t competitive, nor does it have competitiveness whatsoever. You are just typing propaganda for no reason whatsoever. This game is just a team game (if anything) with strategy.

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     • Yeah, what Tendency says. I am.

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     • GUYS WE GOT ONE WOOOOO!!!

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10. r5 mappa mare or r5 Magic Guide? with em/em/crt build

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    • If your nahida is off-field and you’re using aggravate/quicken/bloom/hyperbooom team. Use magic guide for more EM and increase dmg against opponents affected by hydro and electro.

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    • R5 Magic Guide
      1. because Mappa Mare’s passive does not work off-field while Magic Guide’s passive does.
      2. if you play her on bloom/hyperbloom team and aggravate/spread team only.
      3. because dps difference between Mappa Mare and Magic Guide is not that much.

      Nahida NA doesn’t benefit from her own passive, no crit rate buff and no damage bonus.
      In bloom team 3 hydro, you use her on field to trigger bloom mainly, not for her own NA damage, see above.
      In aggravate/spread team, you’d want to use electro char to trigger reaction, unless your Nahida stat is much better than your electro char. Remember, Nahida NA doesn’t benefit from crit rate buff and damage bonus buff. Thus there’s no reason to play onfield Nahida except for bloom trigger and because you like her to be on field, and this will make Mappa Mare lose it passive value compared to Magic Guide.

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      • on-field nahida, this is trap. I remember loligame with qiqi and klee, it’s not good and not fun. She deal enough off-field dmg and good buff for on’field unit, this her best role.
        Omg, this is not at all what I expected, i can skip it and wait for the rerun for more variable.

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        • Nahida(F2p) + Bennett + Beidou + Dmc on field deal 36k aoe dps and 42k dps for single target. Off field deal 18,5 k aoe and solo. Conclusion she will worth it as on field dps and as spread carry only.

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        • If playing Nahida on-field isn’t fun to you now, what difference would a rerun make? You still won’t like playing her on-field. Just like Qiqi and Klee. There’s no need to wait for a rerun to play her off-field when she’s currently able to support a lot of different teams already. Unless you want to keep using Collei and Dendro MC in Circle Impact.

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          • I’m not intersted dendro reaction and another dps off-field. If she were more universal… however, there is no wow effect, so I agree with you, she is not needed at all.

          • Where did I say she’s not needed? rofl Your confirmation bias is unreal.
            In any case, it’s your choice. For anyone else who is having fun with Dendro reactions, she is a great addition to those teams. Nahida doesn’t need to be “universal”, especially when people have been using the same meta team variants for 2 years. New things are very welcome. I’m glad Nahida doesn’t just take Raiden’s place in National, that would be lame.

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