2,812 responses to “Dehya”

1. her e is worst version of albedo e

   much lower damage than albedo
   2,5 sec interval with 12sec uptime and 20sec cooldown so 8sec downtime
   need to take damage to proc the coordinate attack

   while in the other hand
   albedo doing more damage
   2 sec interval with 30 sec uptime 4sec cooldown no downtime
   just randomly attack the enemy and it will use the coordinate attack
   CAN USE AS A LIFT

   the only thing dehya win from albedo is in oceanid place cuz albedo lift just dissapear in water

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   • I’d honestly call the lift aspect a demerit, really. I’ve definitely used it by accident more times than it’s been helpful. Or it got stuck on something and didn’t work when I wanted a lift.

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   • 4 sec downtime, not 8 sec, her Q will “give” another 4 secs in the form of break

     albedo has no element reactions (useful, i mean), dehya has (potientally at least, unless monopyro)

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     • Eh, it’s still not active during her Q, but at least she’s taking 60% less from damage built up from her E previously. Though it is a good way to burn through the CD since she’s the one you want taking the damage anyway.

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     • Give? No, it doesn’t.
       While she is using Q, the E chase does not occur.
       Also, if she collects E with Q and then makes a character change while Q is in effect, E disappears
       This gives? No, it doesn’t.

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   • Albedo’s elevator as lift is garbage lol. It’s has more cons than pros. It’s annoying af and ruined your rotations in abyss, and barely useable in overworld (Zhongli’s stick much better for overworld lol).

     Agree with she has lower uptime and personal dmg, but for elements, pyro>>>>geo.

     And also, both need to hit “random” dmg to opponents for proc-ing their skill dmg, I don’t see Albedo is superior in that case lol

     Imagine comparing the dmg from a purely subdps, with a defensive support that focused on dmg mitigation. It’s like comparing Albedo’s
     personal dmg with Zhongli’s (except Zhongli has much better states than Dehya as defensive character)

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2. Just read from someone in reddit genshin leaks that her E is literally one of the worst.

   To quote from TheYango:

   “Her level 10 E motion does 123.8% Atk every 2.5s (or the equivalent of 49.52% every 1s). That is drastically lower damage than every other comparable off-field DPS skill. ”
   Oz does 159.84% Atk every 1s (more than 3x the DPS, not even counting Fischl A4 or C6)

   Yae’s turrets do 170.64% Atk and strike 5 times every 14s (with 3 turrets, that averages out to 182.8% every 1s)

   Raiden E does 79.6% Atk every 0.9s (88.4% per 1s)

   Nahida E does 185.76% Atk + 392.16% EM every 2.5s (yes, Dehya’s E motion value is worse than the Atk motion value of Nahida’s E alone, not even counting its EM scaling, her burst buffs, or A4 passive)

   Yaoyao’s E does 53.84% Atk every 1s (yes, Dehya’s E does less DPS than Yuegui)

   You can squeeze out as much uptime as you want out of her E, but that can’t change the fact that the base motion value is trash. Most “good” off-field abilities have 3x-4x the raw damage of Dehya’s E, and even the low-end ones that are there mostly for utility/elemental application still do significantly more damage than Dehya’s E does.”

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   • They really compared a defensive unit to Fischl.

     They did that, lol.

     That’s one the stupidest things I’ve seen on this forum. It’s too bad you can’t delete posts or edit posts, I don’t know how it is over there.

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     • Worse uptime than all of them too, just to add.

       Worse range too.

       Worse flexibility too. Limited to the “Circle”.

       Defensively, you would still want a healer.

       She is like Noelle. Can do a lot of things but mediocre at all of those.

       Can be burgeon support. Not that good.

       Off field attacker. Bad.

       On field attacker. Bad.

       Defense. Not that good.

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       • You didn’t read that post or my post, you just wanted to say “Dehya bad”. Or maybe you did read, but you definitely didn’t understand why it’s stupid.

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         • in her current state as a defensive unit, which she really shouldn’t have been in the first place, she brings nothing to a team someone else isn’t already doing better. the cover mechanic can be well done though there is a reason most developers don’t use it. giving her a berserker mechanic to do more damage at low health would easily fix her and make more people happy with her concept. The way she was shown in game was no where near this weak. Hopefully before release she gets some improvements as we still have about 3 weeks.

         • I disagree. She’s a strong contender for the 4th slot in a Nahida, XQ, C6 Bennett team. She gives pyro resonance and pyro boost for nahida. I think the best unit in that slot besides her is Yelan. But if I were fighting 3 Maguu’s or some stagger-beast fight I’d opt for her instead.

     • oh ye cuz raiden skill and yao yao skills are the top sub dps skills. im sry but everytime i see you, your spouting nonsense, you for some reason cant see that they are there for comparison; a range from sub dps’ like yae and fich, and healer 4 star skill and buffing skill not meant to do dmg itself. dehya is a dysfunctional limited 5 star tank with poor tanking capabilities and worse scaling and probably dmg than non dps 4 stars. why dont you take your own advise and read the whole comment.

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   • Yuegui also lasts 10s on a 15s cd and heals, while generating a particle every 1.5s.

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3. Why is everyone complaining about me, Baizhu ? – Dehya asked.
   Because you are not a Dendro character. More importantly you are not from Liyue – Baizhu said.

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   • Even being a dendro and/or Liyue char doesn’t save u from the “community” cough cough Yelan cough cough Alhaitham

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4. The plebs were wrong when it comes to the Dendro update, their opinions are all untrustworthy (wrong on Nilou, wrong on Alhaitham). The meta has shifted from high investment, high damage to low investment, high damage. Every Dendro reaction increasing damage has EM/Levels factored in with less emphasis on crit, and has hidden multipliers obfuscating the process but still contributing hugely to team DPS. I feel their thinking is, have this character be different by making her a damage reduction fortress while her team uses her safety to setup their rotations, or have her be un-killable on-field. What separates her from ZL is her E is guaranteed (it doesn’t “break”) for the full duration, hugely maintains/regains EHP from Ascension 1 and Ascension 4, and her reactions are useful. She’ll be another comfort pick that works differently and possibly better with the current meta. She might also be the first character with teams where slotting out all methods of healing isn’t copium. I have no doubt that someone will find a way to abuse the fact that she is team-wide, self-healing TANK.

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   • Let’s be realistic instead of spamming excuses.

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     • Deyha herself gets 70% DR at Lvl 10 E (goes back to 50% DR after 6 seconds). How do I know this? Easy math:

       Assume an attack does 10,000 damage while any character stands in her field:

       10000(0.5 ; Damage reduction)
       5000(0.6 ; Damage mitigation from A1)
       3000 ; thirty percent of the original damage, which means you reduced it by 70%

       But let’s say you’re also using a max potential Damage Reduction Xingqiu burst, which is 53%, the mitigation doesn’t even kick in:

       (50 ; Deyha) + (53 ; XQ) = 103 DR ; you take 0 damage from enemy attacks

       TL;DR

       You are un-killable in Dehya’s field with XQ’s ult active…. That’s right, with just 2 characters you have God Mode for 12 seconds.

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       • I don’t think that how Dehya’s defensive mechanic works. It more like damage split than a % reduction.
         In the case XQ + Dehya and you recieve 10000 damage, It would be either
         1. Dehya split 5000 onto and the other 5000 to on field will get mitigated by XQ.
         2. XQ mitigate 10000 damage first. Then, Dehya splits the mitigated damage.
         depend on the priority HYV put on.

         I don’t think Dehya + XQ is just 0 damage.

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         • “Multiple DMG Reduction abilities stack additively. If DMG Reduction exceeds 1+DMG Bonus of Incoming Attack, incoming damage will be completely nullified”

           https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Reduction

           Learn the formula:

           https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Damage#General_Damage_Formula

           Come back when you understand it.

       • Dehya’s kit specifically mentions it’s a mitigation , not a reduction like Xingqiu or Beidou so the rules might exactly apply the same way. The DMG she can reduce does have a cap , it caps out to 200% of her max HP so it’s not that the dmg is reduced , it’s more like its being flowed into another pool of HP , so let’s say my pool in this case is 80k HP , so if i take dmg let’s say 10k dmg this get’s mitigated because of her passive so 6k in the end so out of the 80k HP pool it now drops to 76k HP , so the dmg isn’t fully reduced like Beidou or Xing it’s more like ”transferred” to another HP pool , essentially imagine ZL’s shield was Dehya , she takes that dmg into her HP pool. The difference with Xingqiu is that he fully reduces this dmg , it doesn’t go to a different HP pool.

         Now it’s possible it could stack with Xingqiu but you failed to take in account her burst doesn’t work with xingqiu at all so there wouldn’t be a point to running him with her UNLESS you run her as a E bot while someone else functions as the driver for xingqiu but now you face the next problem , the only reason’s you’d do this is to either run a vape or burgeon comp which she also underperforms at because her trigger intervals is every 2.5s which is too slow and other chars can outperform in this type of category like xiang or thoma

         Also you pretend as if running god mode is something innovative at the end of your last comment , let me remind you Zhong and benny have been in the game since the start and ZL can provide a MUCH LONGER god mode duration while still providing a shred on enemies whereas Dehya provides 0 buffs to your team and has a cap to the dmg she can absorb and your team is anyways going to still take dmg AND her best comp rn for her dps build is theorized to be mono pyro which you anyways are gonna run bennett as a battery since she has insane burst cost so what’s the point of her ”god mode” mitigation now if you can just overheal?

         She isn’t a comfort pick like you described , a comfort pick is like ZL or Koko who keep you alive with almost no cost and effort while Dehya requires a team built around her and can’t keep you fully alive herself and you would still need to heal.

         Unfortunately in this game the priority is : Healing > Shielding > Dmg RED but any combination like Healing + Shielding or Healing + Dmg RED is even more desired but Dehya falls at the bottom only providing RED and no team healing

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         • You’re right on the mitigation part. It specifically says mitigation and not reduction.

           But I find it ironic that you tout the use of Bennett + ZL over Bennett + Dehya when they’re basically the same thing. There’s probably specific use case scenarios for either.

           Also, XQ’s ult lasts 18 secs while Dehya’s lasts 4. Worst case you’re losing 4-5 waves. Best case will probably be vaping with XQ after her initial E cast, then ulting with her first. What they have in common is protection. The synergy exists there.

         • I believe XQ’s damage reduction would apply first, then the on field character takes 50% of the remaining damage, while Dehya takes the rest over time, subtracting some if she moved her field recently.

           If Dehya herself is the one on field, she’s taking the majority of the damage to her own health pool, then healing a portion of it. If she’s off field, the damage is split, so she will not be taking as much as your on-fielder, and she has no way to heal them.

           An unkillable comfort pick has existed long before Zhongli, and her name is Qiqi. I suspect she even outputs more damage with OHC as well.

         • “An unkillable comfort pick has existed long before Zhongli, and her name is Qiqi. I suspect she even outputs more damage with OHC as well.”

           I can’t agree with that. If you want to be taken seriously, you won’t say sh1t like this. Clam is not part of the character’s kit so that argument is useless. But it’d be funny if you commit to the math on this. Let’s see you’re your M/V of 30k per 3.5 sec lol. It’s probably anything but the set contributing to the argument and that’s IF we were factoring in artifact set bonuses. Bro, you were doing alright until you said this. You should stay anonymous, that’s a good call.

         • Let’s see then, her E does 64.8% continuous damage 9 times across 15s, so that’s 38.9% per second, plus the 8.5k/s from clam (not including phys res mods like superconduct) so that’s what, 429% if she’s got 2000 Atk? Or more, since it ignores defense? When all she needs is 10.64% to match Dehya. With her passive skill, she’s got 21s/30s (70%) uptime without relying on energy, which is better than Dehya’s 12/20 (60%).

           If you want to calculate Q and NA rotations for on field, be my guest. Plus whatever artifact set you think gives Dehya the advantage here over Qiqi’s clams.

   • Wish I could upvote this post.

     So much of the “vocal” Genshin community both on HH and social media are always so quick to trash everything new and whinge about Crit-centered damage. The stat distribution requirements for Dendro teams certainly brings variety to team building. Less mind-numbing Crit balancing too, as it’s no longer required by every damage-dealing unit like in pre-3.0 (minus VV Anemo units ofc) – “Quick-Bloom” teams are the best example of this potent combination.

     It’s going to to be interesting to see what the creative and innovative minds among the playerbase do with Dehya once she is released.

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   • I think you just grouped everyone who said negative things before release regarless if they’re wrong or not as untrustworthy. In most case like Nilou, Alhaitham or Kokomi, you’re right. Those doomposter were talking BS even tho many TCs knew they would be good on release. In Dehya’s case tho, even those TCs would agree that she is bad rn. Yes, she split damage for on field character to herself but your on field still takes damage, so you still some healing for them. If that’s case, why you have to sacrifice 1 slot and just use healer instead? Also, don’t forget that her E in 12s duration with 20s duration. Meaning, you have 8s of no protection.

     I think reason why many TCs complain so much about damage bc her defensive mechanic is so bad that other thing her kit like damage should justify for it. Kinda like Hu Tao, who lose HP from using her E but it’s justified by the big increase her damage, Pyro damage bonus and bigger nuke from her Q.

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   • Bro really called Dehya a comfort pick?, do you even understand what is a comfort unit?

     Tell me you don’t have Zhongli without telling me you don’t have Zhongli. His shield is almost indestructible, not even dorito doing it’s things can destroy that shield.

     A team that does not run healers or shields won’t need a trash pyro unit who needs to run along a healer or a shielder. Dehya has shit uptime and won’t “shield” the whole damage. Which teams that doesn’t run healers or shields would like to have Dehya? Quicken teams? Hu Tao teams? Itto teams?

     With the current meta she is even more trash. If you place her in every dendro teams she will mess everything and there’s no reason to run her in burgeon because Thoma is way clear and there, her gimmicks are unuseful because you still need a healer.

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     • And so continues the rants of the narrow-minded.

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     • I got ZL on his first run and I still have a screenshot of him standing overlooking Liyue from the bridge above the dog near the gate during the FIRST Lantern Rite in Version 1.3:

       https://i.imgur.com/9GZDwdR.jpg

       Don’t assume.

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       • Dude what are you talking about , my point was bennet alone is enough provide invulnerability because he can just overheal you , adding him with zhong just solidifies it more , Dehya NEEDS bennet because she needs a battery to have burst up time and my other point was that it makes no sense to even run xing and dehya together because xing burst doesn’t even activate on her burst attack or her E trigger , you would need to use a driver unit with NAs to get off Xing burst with her and it still wouldn’t be good because after 12s of her E you need to cast it again while xings burst is going down and during those 3-5s of you swapping in and activating her E you don’t have no reactions going on and by the time you switch back to your driver Xings burst is pretty much over. Also she isn’t consistent with vapes with her E because it’s literally 2.5s interval , you can trigger maybe vape 4-5 hits with her E in 12s and I dont have to remind you that units like xiang or hu tao can vape way more in that time.

         There is no “synergy” here , either you missed the part where Dehya burst doesn’t work with xing or yelan or you really stayed oblivious to the current situation , the only team they could possibly work together is if Dehya functions as an E bot while someone else is the driver preferably a polearm unit since they’re faster with NAs and once again even in that scenario you have maybe 4-5 vapes which is garbage compared to what other units can do.

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         • You say E bot like it’s a bad thing. I disagree. That’s her biggest strength. She’ll compete with Zhong Li in situations where pure defense isn’t a necessity. I’d say she’s a hybrid mix between defensive utility and DPS. Her ult still does 2000% in 4 seconds.

           And her with XQ isn’t a vape team. That’s a Burgeon team. There’s a Dendro unit there somewhere. The 4th slot will most likely be C6 Bennett running point. If Nahida is the Dendro unit she gets the double pyro buff to her damage. This seems like a solid team to me.

       • It’s funny that you didn’t answer my question about which team that does not run a healer needs a unit like Dehya.

         If you have Zhongli and still compare his defensive capabilities with Dehya’s, there’s no point in continuing this conversation. Your intelligence left the chat a long time ago.

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         • Effective Hit Points or EHP. Defense, Elemental Resistance, Shields, Damage Reduction, Mitigation, etc. Dehya adds to EHP in a different way, but it’s in no way a small contribution.

       • Dude , for the billionth time , her E application as a pyro unit is garbage , you get 4 procs of pyro with her E in 12s , even in this burgeon team you describe you’d get 4-5 burgeon procs with her which even thoma can outperform since he can trigger more frequently , she isn’t competing with zhongli at anything because she doesn’t provide 100% negation , she doesn’t have as much up time and she doesn’t give any buffs , it’s not even close

         And yes an E bot is bad when she can’t even perform well at that and you ignore her burst which means you’re playing with half , no more like 1/3 of her kit because you won’t utilize her autos .

         Just answer me why would I use her over thoma in a burgeon team rn? With Nahida + Thoma + Benny + Xing I already have a very solid team with healing , shielding and DMG red from xing , there’s nothing that Dehya can bring here and she can only be a downgrade

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         • Thoma is copium, even in Burgeon. The best character for Burgeon is C6 Bennett.

           “…Nahida + Thoma + Benny + Xing…”

           That’s a burning team lol

         • Nvm, I read that wrong, that’s Burgeon, my mistake.

           But I would take Thoma out of that team. You already have Bennett. Unless you don’t have him at C6, it’s fine. You run C6 Bennett point and blow up cores with his infusion. I personally run C6 Bennett, Nahida, Xingqiu as my core team. The 4th slot could be anyone. It doesn’t really matter. I usually put Fischl there. Having the option to put Dehya there would be nice, though.

   • Which comform-pic, dude?
     Zhongli has 20 seconds of full invulnerability when recharged in 12 seconds (and he doesn’t need other characters for that);
     Dehya has 12 seconds of damage reduction when recharged in 20.
     At the same time, Zhongli will reduce the resistance of opponents by 20% to all types of damage (including the newfangled Dendro) and buff the team through Millelith 100% uptime / Archaic.
     This is the difference between comfort and a useful character VS a character with crutches (for partial correction of which she needs C2 – but even with C2 Dehya you don’t have 100% of the protection time).

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   • I’m with you, Got3JeansLF Mona.

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   • Is this trolling? Right? Right. Bcz, you can’t write about it seriously. Dude, I think you have taken into account the mistakes and corrected its. Continue to troll, this is the best solution that you can offer.

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     • You’re so clueless that you don’t understand YOU are the troll. I remember you talking trash on the Nilou page saying dumb sh1t:

       “It is thanks to you who create twink accounts that the hyv develop the illusion that the game is popular. In fact, it has reached its peak and now there is stagnation, you will not see anything new. maybe look at another project. ToF shook them a little, but it did not last long, just a couple of weeks. ha ha. So you will continue to smoke this casino”

       Clooooown.

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       • And where is i wrong? Genshin is already breathing heavily. Is it not noticeable that students make content for their future portfolios. And you keep getting into this nonsense.

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       • Yep. tzarica’s slave has been a regular troll on this site for a long time. They constantly trash every new character and remind everyone how much they hate Kokomi month after month. lol

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         • at least I do it regularly so nameless trolls like you know who to look up to.
           Learn, while I’m still here.

       • “tzarica’s slave” isn’t your really name no matter how times you use it – your still anaonymous. It just makes easier for people to ignore your baseless claims.

         Bye. ^^

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5. 50% damage reduction and a full self heal with a relatively short cool-down. Basically she’s un-killable. I’m pretty sure down the line some creative people will come up with a way to abuse this. When they do, I’ll come back to laugh at these Negative Nancies.

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   • This mf right here sees 50% and thinks full.

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   • Damage reduction that equals Xingqiu’s and Beidou’s ults up to a certain point from one E is significant. On top of that full heal on a 20 second cooldown. I play TF Bennett with XQ, Bei, Fischl for fun sometimes, it’s still one of the tankiest teams. The potential in Burgeon with Thoma is probably not there but with C6 Bennett it could be interesting.

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     • She only reduces 60% of 50% for 6s, so yeah that is comparable to XQ’s 29%, or Beidou’s 34%+. Well, not as good, since it’s 0~30% depending on when you take that damage, and doesn’t work if you only cast her E once without repositioning it, or using her Q before E.

       Still not seeing that “full heal” though? Her passive is a 20% heal, then another 30%, maybe 36% if it ticks at 0s. Either way that doesn’t add up to 100%, even including the 40% she has to be below to trigger it.

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       • So now you have social skills with normal behavior? Funny, you were from Compton from just a post ago. Are you an autist? Or maybe you’re confused. Figure it out, bro, or maybe you’re in that phase of your life that is dictated by people rejecting your strange behavior in order for you to fix it.

         And full heal means from 40% to 90%. Did you think I meant 100%? If the wording is lost on you that’s not my problem lol. Fit-ins, God help them.

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         • Why do you reply to yourself 5 times and it’s always wrong? I was better off with only my first comment. Enjoy, though.

         • You are a keyboard warrior backpedaling coward. I never took you seriously. Your brain got stuck a piece of rhetoric that is ironically your problem, as in you called yourself out lol. I free-handed the math on Nilou and Alhaitham when people were still uncertain on the Dendro meta, and said they were going to be extremely strong and I was right, and I’m going to be right again: An un-killable character that heals herself from low HP… I’ll call it now–someone will find a way to abuse it and people will cry rerun when.

           You’ll remember me but I won’t remember you.

         • These guys are all the same. I bet you he doesn’t care about the rhetoric at all but was biased towards the character from the start. Or maybe he doesn’t like me or hates Genshin.

           But you let me entertain. I’ll give you that. Thanks for the help “full-heal” guy.

       • I think I should have said “Mega-Elixir” just to F with you, lol. That would have been funny. Missed opportunity by me.

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   • Spotted a very triggered Dehya main. I hope you enjoy your total 3589 damage from her kit.

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     • Nice assumption there bud. I don’t have a main. I did ran teams’ DPS through the Github and Aspirine was right on Nilou and Alhaitham. I’m not a scrub like you. Get mad, sh1t-post, etc.

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       • If I was a streamer I’d be like Seka fixing your sh1t accounts, lol.

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   • My brother in christ Xingqiu gives full team 49% actual damage reduction (not the bs dmg absorbtion mechanic literally just halves the damage you take), while also giving resistance to interruption AND a bit of healing.

     You know what the funniest part is? all 3 of those things are the “side benefits” XQ gives, they’re not even the main reason you run him. Dehya’s whole kit is just Xingqiu’s passive but with extra steps, only around 60% uptime, and barely any personal damage.

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     • The irony of your post is that you’re comparing them when you should be using them together. You don’t need to front your Dehya on that team. Put some other DPS there and those 3 will already be untouchable by enemies.

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       • Just by looking at the name, one can clearly tell he is an obvious troll.

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6. I got a feeling where hoyoverse is laughing in the back right now.

   “Sure, go leak the numbers, they don’t know a thing about game design”

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   • Are you talking about the same game dev who changed Yae Miko’s E mechanic to hit the nearest enemy, rendering her C2 useless? And og Zhongli whose shield was weaker than a cat bartender? kekw

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7. Burgeon Nilou with BiS

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   • nilou wont work with dehya since dehya is pyro but yeah i agree i think shes meant to be more of a burgeon enabler and tanker for the self dmg

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8. So here’s a hopium theory, mihoyo obviously wants her to receive damage for the team, and 1 way to ensure she effectively gets damage is by playing her in burgeon teams. Team will then funnel all damage to her. Then mihoyo introduce a new artifact set, that upon receiving damage, builds up stacks and/or boost team em/atk. And when the stacks are at max, activating burst boost up burst damage..

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   • as a business i think it’s in their best interest to maximize sales for each of their banners. there’s no reason for them to hold back like this in hopes of selling big on her rerun. They should just make her reasonably strong, sell well on her first AND second banners.
     most of the hopium comments here just want to think that mihoyo cares about the meta preferences of the player base over making money in the first place.
     I reckon it’s only two possibilities for this shit beta: the few devs working on her have a grudge against her, or they are just incompetent and out of touch with company objectives and/or beta player feedback.

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9. why on earth is dehya not enhancing her burst dmg through the redmane’s blood mechanic???!!!! seems like such an obvious thing… whoever is designing her kit is so dumb…

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   • Speedrunners in shambles.

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     • that’s not even a peed run thing the only way this mechanic works and doesn’t get overshadowed by everything already released is to give her more damage from damage taken. the cover mechanic could have worked before we had so many shields and good healers, but at this point it needs a little something more to make her kit more than just a throwaway. I really want to pull for her and will most likely because I like the character personality and appearance, but she doesn’t really benefit teams and I really don’t want to see them just cram her into a support roll since it really isn’t what her character is about.

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       • What other reason is there to want more damage from a unit that provides utility if not speedrunning? It’s similar to wanting Kokomi to crit.

         I think support is definitely a role suited to Dehya’s character. Dehya has a job as Dunyarzad’s bodyguard – protecting someone else at the risk of one’s own safety. Deya is willing to take damage in defense of Dunyarzad. Even if I’m wrong or others disagree, there are quite a few characters already in-game who’s combat role is not the same as their story roles in a literal sense. There’s so much more nuance and depth to it than just “Oh a fighter? They must be an on-field DPS”.

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         • difference is kokomi heals 100% of damage taken, while dehya is capped at absorbing 50% of it, and she only heals herself. if you aren’t a DPS you should be a good support, otherwise you are just bad. imagine running damageless dehya and still needing a healer in the team. could just take dehya out, bring a good healer and then you have 3 dps slots instead of 2.

         • I imagine Dunyarzad has lower HP than Dehya, so even on bodyguard duty, her charge will die long before she does. She also protects herself more than anyone else, so I’m not sure that’s exactly on brand.

         • she wasn’t just a passive body guard, I know people are desperate to see new mechanics and changes I just feel like she wasn’t the one to do it with. I was fine with the cover mechanic, but I do think she needs to gain damage or something more from it since right now 4 star characters do her jobs better. she didn’t even really take hits for people in the story though she was willing to. she actually fought and won so yes based off what was shown and the descriptions from other characters she should not hide in the back. just to be clear I’m not looking for another Hu Tao, but I do want her to shine and not just as someone I throw in back and use every 20 seconds.

         • @Dragonhog: Bold of you to assume that 100% healing is absolutely necessary for every scenario. Players who can dodge well only need chip-healing in most situations.

           @UnLucky: Yeah, let’s take the Dunyarzad example literally in a weak attempt at dissuading the point. Dehya put her right arm on the line to save the lives of others. Just because she protects herself doesn’t mean she won’t make sacrifices for the greater good. “More than” is a moot point when she’s already shown that she’ll do what it takes to protect a greater cause.

           We could argue about this for ages. I’m not trying to convince you to pull. However, I can assure you that there are people who will find a place for Dehya in their teams whether you agree or not.

         • @Feelsbadman and what does dehya provide as a support other than so called “chip healing”? how is she better than characters that do give 100% healing? why would you not just use thoma, who gives a big shield with perfect resistance to interruption while it lasts, takes 100% of the damage for you, has increased pyro damage absoption, and at C6 which you may get one day gives a damage bonus buff? where would dehya be better than any other character?

         • @Dragonhog: You’re thinking about it in the wrong way. Dehya doesn’t need to be “better”. She’s clearly a synergistic character to be used in tandem. All your questions will be answered and you’ll understand what I mean after she is released.

10. People complaning should understand that a bad unit in a gatcha game is a blessing compared to shit powercreeping. Ideally they should make all of them perfeclty balanced, but when it’s’ not possibile, this is totally good for the game.
    They should change way more important things like farming, which remains a massive pile of hot dogshit. This should be fixed, not a unit’s multipliers

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    • “a bad unit is a blessing” oh yeah I’m sure the people who spend money on this game absolutely agree with you…idk if this brain rot take is just exclusive to genshin players but every other gacha has done and still to this date does powercreep , it’s not a bad thing because realistically people don’t want to use the same comps 24/7 in those games and have no superior option which btw is a current problem in genshin where the game is too boring because day 1 teams are still clearing…

      Not that I disagree about fixing the farming system but that has nothing to do with Dehya discussion and it makes you sound like a salty Dehya fan who wants to divert attention from her garbage kit onto something else

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      • Powercreep not bad thing? Imagine if you spend tons of money/time to build a character then it become obsolete because it cant keep up with new released character. It will force us to farm/spend on every new update or we will have difficulties to clear game content.
        Of course many other game apply this method. It is easiest way to milk money from their player, not much different than pay to play.

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        • This is so true. MMORPGs have been using the powercreep tactic for years. Works like a charm in getting people to spend hundreds of dollars a year on gear alone. Haven’t even factored in other features like collections, mounts, skins, skill cards, etc. that also incur additional costs and require constant upgrading
          What some people don’t seem to understand is this: We don’t need powercreep or under-powered characters. Characters that are balanced around pre-exisiting power levels and MATCH that level is what’s best for gacha games. This way there is variety rather than wallet-draining vertical progression.

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          • Closest to par is ideal. Slightly under, or slightly over is fine, especially since it’s difficult or even impossible to strike a perfect balance, while also introducing new and varied mechanics. Far stronger, or far weaker; both are bad.

            In some sense, it’s smarter to undertune new content, to leave room for buffs and adjustments later. Nerfs can be problematic (no, it’s not illegal), so it’s safer to ensure you never have to nerf, nor end up buffing literally everything else except for one thing that was far above the rest. But go too far, and ‘pre-nerfed’ content loses purpose, early adopters feel punished for investing in an incomplete product, and hype for the next release dies down because it won’t be until the inevitable buff everyone expects to happen later when people should start caring.

          • “Closest to par is ideal. Slightly under, or slightly over is fine, especially since it’s difficult or even impossible to strike a perfect balance, while also introducing new and varied mechanics…. In some sense, it’s smarter to undertune new content, to leave room for buffs and adjustments later.”

            Yes, this is very fair. I did us the word “match”, but in reality balance can’t be absolutely perfect when there are so many factors and mechanics that affect each unit’s performance and power in so many different ways. Having units that’s don’t stray so for from pre-exisitng levels is indeed a better way to look at it.

    • from player cycles that ive heard about, many ppl may not know this from the beginning of the game. one of the redeeming factors that was praised about genshin was that the 4 stars where closely comparable to 5 stars. now look at the 4 stars, almost all of the new ones are garbage, worse, heavily con locked, and not worth sinking time and resources into. there has been a major powerseep among them and ppl now say garbage like “you shouldnt compare 4s with 5s” or “its ok to excuse that they suck, theyre only a 4s” when thats just ridiculous cuz you have the base 4s that give you an idea of how strong they should be. 4s being so drastically worse than 5s is a negative even in other titles with their respective rarity rating where its the norm. its been over 2 yrs since genshin released and ppl dont want to play the same old top tier 4s. ppl should not settle for below avgerage let alone mediocre but the genshin community has this plague of the “casual” community. i would much rather see a powercreep than look at the massacre of the new units. ppl compare xingxiu with yelan, she has more dmg focus, he has more various utility. one of the best 5s with one of the top base 4s, and this is how it should be. the 5s should be better but not incomparable. dori is the most comparable to raiden atm where she heals in sacrifice of burst dmg bonus one could see it as, but has no real battering (that is to say it sucks so bad its not worth considering), no electro app, and no off field dmg to where she isnt comparable to raiden cuz its such a stark difference. the game isnt gonna change so i counter argue ppls “the game is easy” with then why care if a slight powercreep happens, its easy anyways, it saves you tons of resources not having to build these characters perfectly, it makes more chars accessible, and more thing that can prolly be listed. why do ppl ask for suck and defend it?

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      • Again, a nice input.

        Don’t design a bad unit, at the very least, all the characters should be balanced whether new or old. Since this is a game about selling characters, a character should at the very least comparable to others, not worse.

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    • I will never understand ppl like you in this game, why do you care about powercreep in a game without competition?
      So Dehya comes out and is better than HT or some other Pyro 5*, so what? Who fucking cares?
      Are you losing primos from being lower on leaderboards? Oh right there’s no leaderboards in GI . Are you losing primos on PVP? Oh that’s right there’s absolutely 0 PVP in this game is there?

      Your Pyro unit feels like shit now that a new character is better? Is that the reasoning for this argument?
      Then explain to me what ppl feel when they roll and play new characters that cost the same amount of primos of old ones and are objectively worse in almost every single way to said character, even worse than FREE characters?

      It goes both ways, both powercreep and undercreep done wrong is bad for a live service game and it’s player base, no one likes to roll for characters that are worse than existing characters they have, or the most sold characters in this game wouldn’t all be top meta ones.

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      • U were all over the place with this one

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      • Imagine if new character have 10x more damage. Then they tweak abyss and boss with 10x hp.
        The ideal thing is balanced. But if i should choose, i will prefer undercreep. At worst, i wont pull new bad character, end of story. But imagine of our existing long built character become pile of trash. And you will forced to pay/grinding forever. I better quit anyway.

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      • Looking from a different angle, many would be upset if the new 5* is superior to his/her heavily invested simp unit, especially the same role and element. For my HT, I have continuously farmed for 2 years. Then a new 5*pyro DPS comes and is better than her by miles. Of course, I will definitely be very upset. So power balancing does matter. However, I do agree that the new 5* which the money we pay is equivalent to the old ones, should not be underpowered too much. Anyway, Dehya’s kits have no synergy with her main stats, split scaling, almost useless utility and 4* liked multipliers. Her outward design and animation are top-notched but her kits are just 4*.

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        • so, basically, it’s just insecurity?

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        • The investment doesn’t just disappear, though. For anyone who mained Diluc or Klee before Hu Tao came out, they can still use them just fine without needing to drop hundreds of pulls/dollars for the next big thing, then farm for weeks/months before they finally have a character just as good as what they had before, to then require even more investment to actually improve their account.

          I feel like I’ve gotten enough enjoyment out of maining Hu Tao since her debut banner. Like at least I’ve had that much time with her. Seeing Dehya as she is, I won’t even have that. I’ll pull her, level her up, and then what, wait for 3.6 or 4.0 and hope she becomes okay by then? Or should I “Just use Xiangling”?

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          • But your example only overs one level of powercreep. Imagine if a Pyro unit more powerful than Hu Tao gets released. And another more powerful than that unit… and another. The difficulty in game content will have to be increased more and more to the point where Klee and Diluc will noticeably struggle with it. Powercreep in the long term just isn’t sustainable.

    • A bad unit is never good for a game but balanced one is.

      Know the difference.

      And sorry but Dehya isn’t bad but even worse than that : extremely low numbers, bs CD’s, damage mitigation mechanic when shields exist, burst with 4s, don’t synergize with anyone (even XQ or Yelan like wtf ??) and worse, her HP asc. and big HP base stat are useless without a C1 ! She’s litterally constellocked !

      Dude, she’s even worst than Xinyan, one the worst 4* in the game ! A 4* ! And a bad one !

      And maybe you don’t give a s- about Dehya but some people waited for her for a long time and were hyped just to see Hoyo butchering her without a f*cking reason…

      She isnt bad, she literally doesn’t even work as a proper 5*…

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    • I really like that there’s no powercreep. But I feel like Dehya is so bad (from what we know) that it wouldn’t hurt to make her at least… below average… instead of complete bottom.

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